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Sep 18, 2014
The Mens Club of Uman is expanding
Uman on Rosh Hashana is basically a mens club. And that's fine, I guess. It is what it is, and that's the way it has been. The men who wish to, go, and they leave their wives and families behind. Women are not welcome because of the large crowds of men going to spend the holiday there, they don't want women messing up their holiness, along with they want to maximize the use of available space for men.
Women were always able to go to Uman and visit the kever of Rebbe Nachman at other times during the year. They too could get inspired and receive the blessings and promises of Rebbe Nachman for those who visit and pray by his grave, but only the rest of the year - not on Rosh Hashana.
Now, Breslav wants women to stop going to Uman even during the rest of the year. In recent years, more and more women have been going to Uman, and it could lead to a mixing of the genders - socializing, etc. They say that the promises of Rebbe Nachman, and the relevant tikkunim, were only meant for men and not for women.
As well, in recent years some women have been going to Uman for Rosh Hashana as well, and this is a big spiritual disturbance. Women present in the area will damage the holiness of the prayers and the spiritual uplifting of the men there.
They also put out instructions for men who might encounter those who don't follow the rules, i.e. women who go to Uman despite the call not to, saying they should pleasantly explain the severity of the problem, but not get into an argument about it - just make clear that they are breaking the rules and causing a problem for everyone else.
source: Mynet
The mens club is no longer satisfied with just being bale to get away for a few days or a week on Rosh Hashana. Now they want to be able to get away at any time during the year... I wonder if they have screens in Uman to show the football games...
Women were always able to go to Uman and visit the kever of Rebbe Nachman at other times during the year. They too could get inspired and receive the blessings and promises of Rebbe Nachman for those who visit and pray by his grave, but only the rest of the year - not on Rosh Hashana.
Now, Breslav wants women to stop going to Uman even during the rest of the year. In recent years, more and more women have been going to Uman, and it could lead to a mixing of the genders - socializing, etc. They say that the promises of Rebbe Nachman, and the relevant tikkunim, were only meant for men and not for women.
As well, in recent years some women have been going to Uman for Rosh Hashana as well, and this is a big spiritual disturbance. Women present in the area will damage the holiness of the prayers and the spiritual uplifting of the men there.
They also put out instructions for men who might encounter those who don't follow the rules, i.e. women who go to Uman despite the call not to, saying they should pleasantly explain the severity of the problem, but not get into an argument about it - just make clear that they are breaking the rules and causing a problem for everyone else.
source: Mynet
The mens club is no longer satisfied with just being bale to get away for a few days or a week on Rosh Hashana. Now they want to be able to get away at any time during the year... I wonder if they have screens in Uman to show the football games...
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What a joke. In the last years Uman has become such a grotesque festival that many old-school Breslovers have decided they would be better off staying in Israel. Some Rebbeim have even penned hesberim justifying not going to Uman.
ReplyDeleteI've met women who go to Uman for Rosh HaShanah. Maybe there's a quota or something.
ReplyDeleteI think it is provocative and does indeed introduce problems that are truly avoided when the genders are separated. Just last week, a non-religious friend asked why there were only women at hafrashat challah, and I suggested that women can open up better to each other if there are no men around, and she completely agreed. Same with men. I don't go to Uman on RH, but for sure understand that if someone wanted to destroy the incredible spiritual atmosphere, they would encourage more women to show up.
ReplyDeleteregardless of what I think about men going to Uman on Rosh Hashana and leaving their families behind, I do think Rosh Hashana should probably be female-free. There are just too many men in too small an area. besides for that, this is more about disallowing women the rest of the year than on rosh hashana. The rest of the year I see no reason to disallow women
ReplyDeleteWhat about the kotel? or at shul?
ReplyDeleteShouldnt women just stay inside on Rosh HaShana entirely? And why not yom kippur?
And purim is like yom kippur but with drinking, so for sure purim.
And shabbat? the holiest day of the week?
And geder lifnay hadin and bam - burka ladies.
I hope Uman bans everyone or manages the site with equality.
The Way - it's one event out of the whole year, the vast majority of events throughout the year allow everyone in. In contrast, throughout the year, there are many many womens-only events.
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