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Jan 5, 2025
they weren't abandoned
in a meeting with family members of hostages, the family members were asking about the deal that is in the works. A family member asked about a deal for returning bodies of killed hostages, and Smotritch said we won't give anything for bodies, only for live hostages. Maybe he could have said it in a more sensitive way, but at least it isnt a totally unreasonable position, even if I think it is wrong.
The family member asked, but the State abandoned them, they were kidnapped form within the borders of Israel, how can Israel just abandon them and not bring them back?
To that Smotritch replied "there was n abandonment, the State of Israel did not abandon them".
Besides for that being in direct contradiction to other things Smotritch has said, especially in the days following October 7, I have no idea what he meant. I would like to hear a reasonable explanation, besides for just evading responsibility. How would he define what happened on October 7? The attack was the attack and the government and military failed on that day, and the soldiers in the area and the citizens were both killed and kidnapped with no real opposition until individuals showed up. The Israeli government and military did not get involved for a long time, basically letting Hamas run amok in southern Israel for a dozen or so hours. I would like to hear a reasonable explanation as to what Minister Smotritch meant when he says Israel did not abandon anybody..
And I dont understand why the families continue talking with Smotritch considering the opinion he has repeatedly stated that he opposes a deal. Nobody has been able to change his mind, so I dont get why they continue to meet with him and listen to him say crazy things to them.
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Smotritch has changed his position on a hostage deal. Originally his position was to reject any deal outright. Now his position is to find out the details before rejecting it.
ReplyDeletelol and sad at the same time
ReplyDeleteI don't know if this is exactly what Smotrich had in mind, and, if he did, perhaps he stated it less than elegantly, but I've thought for a while now that one's reaction to, or absolute shock at, October 7 is directly proportional to one's view of how much government is expected to "help" us in general. I imagine inhabitants of a kibbutz or attendees of a rave or their families rate pretty high on that scale. Some of us...not so much. We have a much more, shall we say, "realistic" view of what we can expect from government. "When you have seconds, the police are only minutes away." So the government and/or state did not "abandon" them any more than it can be said to have "abandoned" people to an earthquake or tsunami. How the government *then* performs is important. And when it messes up, a lot of us say, "Yup, as expected."
ReplyDeleteI think protecting the borders and keeping your citizens safe is among the most basic government responsibilities there are. And while I agree there is often room to debate how much government involvement in our lives is warranted, in Israel there is always way too much so asking now that perhaps they shouldnt be involved in this one situation is not reasonable
DeleteSo now we're back to "They should have, but have your own gun just in case. And don't live within walking distance of millions of people who want to murder you without being very, very well-armed, and make sure you don't have the delusion that they are your 'friends.""
DeleteThe more time passes, the more we learn.
ReplyDeleteWe learned that the soldiers on the ground knew something was going to happen and intelligences services even knew when but the army command dismissed them.
We learned that the Prime Minister should've been briefed and wasn't.
We learned that the Attorney General held the Prime Minister back from unleashing the army because he hadn't convened the cabinet to formally declare war.
We learned that the Supreme Court used the confusion in the first few months to further entrench their power over the government.
In short, we learned that leftist generals and a leftist AG led to the greatest security failure in Israel's history. And then the Left organized protests to ensure that you knew that it was actually all Bibi's fault.
"We learned that the Attorney General held the Prime Minister back from unleashing the army because he hadn't convened the cabinet to formally declare war."
DeleteWhat is the source for this? I never heard this before.
Even BEFORE Oct 7 we knew ALL of the following:
ReplyDelete(i) we know that during 'disengagement' there were many that wanted IDF to keep Philadelphi but this rejected. In NO small part to the Supreme Court's disallowing destruction of houses in Rafah near border which would render IDF soldiers on this border as sitting ducks. So Supreme Court gave Hamas an open border with Egypt;
(ii) we know the Supreme Court severely limited targeted assassinations of Hamas leaders - about two decades ago so IDF did not have this 'tool' for about two decades.
(iii) we know the army wanted a 1 km sterile zone with the Gaza border - then the supreme court asked IDF to justify why 300 meters is not sufficient. Then it became zero. This was NOT gov't decision - not of government back then or now
(iv) We know he court was concerned about 'freedom to demonstrate' when Gazans had riots ON the Gaza border. At BEST soldiers were limited to non-lethal means then shooting in the air. Supreme court brought Hamas Gazans physically ONTO the Gaza border-fence
(v) by law, any 'State Inquiry' would be run be a Supreme Court judge or former judge.