Showing posts with label kapparos. Show all posts
Showing posts with label kapparos. Show all posts
Oct 6, 2022
a strange minhag with the kapparot bird
I have seen and learned about a lot of unusual, and sometimes strange (to me) minhagim over time. I spent several years learning in a yeshiva in an Israeli Haredi neighborhood populated by old Yerushalmim, Hassidim and Litvish people and I saw all sorts of minhagim and behaviors there. This is something I have never seen or heard about, and boy is it strange.
זקן האדמו"רים הרבי ממשכנות הרועים לאחר כפרות במעונו בשריפת הנוצה של התרנגול, כחלק מהמנהג לעשות זכר למיתות בי"ד ע"י זריקת התרנגול, שריפת הנוצה, והרג וחנק - שחיטה pic.twitter.com/7cJSjuq4u7
— משה ויסברג (@moshe_nayes) October 3, 2022
The elder Admor, the Rebbe of Mishkenot HaRo'im, after performing the kapparot ritual in his office - burning the feathers of the chicken, as part of the minhag to perform a "zecher", a symbolic memorial, of the 4 deaths meted out by beis din for various sins on the kapparot bird - by throwing the bird (like skila), burning feathers, strangulation and beheading - both of which are memorialized by the shchita of the bird.
Honestly, this seems cruel, though I dont know if the burning of the feathers is felt by the bird or not, and I dont know how far or hard they throw the bird - throwing the bird to the ground could be a problem of causing a treifa so I assume they arent throwing it form a tall height and nor are they throwing it hard. Good or bad I dont know but it is at minimum strange.
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Sep 21, 2022
The Holidays in Tel Aviv
The City of Tel Aviv published on its municipal website instructions, guidelines and relevant information for the upcoming holiday season in Tel Aviv. Some of it is informative, some generous, and some cute and quirky and not necessarily traditional.
For example:
they will allow, once again, expansion of some shuls into public areas for the holidays. This has to be done in coordination with the city's Religious Council.
announced details of the times and location of the sukkos fair selling lulav and esrog and sukka materials.
The city will distribute schach (presumably palm fronds, for free!) at several locations around the city (as long as supply lasts). All Israeli cities should do this. Instead, they let people trim city trees and then sell the branches.
Information about when the beaches will be supervised with lifeguards - on Yom Kippur there will be no lifeguards on the beaches, and swimming without lifeguards present is both dangerous and illegal.
Information about city services over Sukkos and Chol Hamoed (mostly none), but street cleaning and garbage removal will be increased.
And I saved the most interesting for last - kapparos. The City of Tel Aviv has announced that the slaughtering of chickens on Yom Kippur for kapparos will not be allowed.
That seems to be a mistake, as we dont do kapparos or slaughter the chickens on Yom Kippur - we do it on erev Yom Kippur, and some do it earlier in the week leading up to Yom Kippur. But I do wonder what would happen legally if on Erev Yom Kippur someone did kapparos in the street, set up a booth or whatever, and maybe even shechted the chickens right there. The city would definitely try to put a stop to it, but would the person have a legal defense because it is not Yom Kippur?
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Feb 4, 2021
kapparos in Shvat/February
This story on Hamechadesh is pretty crazy. It reminded me of a scam that happens around Pesach-Shavuos time. In recent years a hakpada (I dont want to call it a chumra) has become trendy by which some people won't buy chametz form the stores if it had been sold to a non-Jew for Pesach. Rather, they insist that the chametz they buy after Pesach is from freshly ground post-Pesach flour.
The scam is that it takes time to make products from fresh flour but they need products in the store, so either they label improperly so people think they are buying fresh-ground flour products when it is really not, or they just put away all the chametz products that had been sold and take it out a few weeks later, closer to Shavuos when nobody is paying attention any longer.
This story sounds similar.
The story reported is that somebody advertised, in Bnei Braq, a very cheap price for chickens on sale with a very good hechsher.
When the people who ordered went to pick up their chickens they discovered that the chickens were labeled as having come from "kapparos" and had been shechted on September 24 2020, a few days before Yom Kippur.
Some people wanted to cancel the order saying that had they known it was from kapparos chickens they would not have ordered - they do not want to pay to eat the aveiros of people.
Another complaint is that the people who do kapparos buy the chickens and then donate it back to be distributed among the poor. Even if it is being sold cheaply to the public, what right do they have to do business with these chickens that were donated for the needy?
And, knowing how kapparos chickens are treated, maybe they are treifos.
The situation ended up in beis din. The beis din questioned representatives of the hechsher who explained what happened:
Organizations that arrange kapparos had asked the hechsher to allow them to slaughter the chickens under their hechsher. The hechsher agreed with several conditions:
1. there would be supervision on the shechita and also on the kapparos itself
2. the chickens would be sourced from an approved source with no concern of the chickens having been given shots and vaccines that might cause treifus problems
3. the chickens be handled well, not being tossed around, and nobody could bring their own chickens.
After the conditions were laid out, the hechsher people said that they supervised and the percentage of treifos was similar to the normal average. From a kashrus perspective there is nothing to worry about.
However, they do not allow these chickens to be sold on the open market in stores, as they are from kapparos. Many will not like the idea of it, and there might even be an issue of gneivas daas. So, special stickers were printed up, informing people that the chickens are from kapparos and they could not be sold in stores, only via the "chaluka" sales run by the organization. The organization preferred to give them to the poor but there were too many, so they had to be sold cheap and the money would be distributed to the poor..
Crazy story.
The question is, the kapparos are meant to be used (by the poor people) for the seuda before Yom Kippur. That tzedaka of feeding the poor is mean tot be a zchus before Yo Kippur. If the chickens are only sold 5 or 6 months later, how does it affect the people who swung those chickens over their heads? Did they get the kappara or not?
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Sep 28, 2017
embrace your chicken
Kapparos is a weird enough ceremony that it always is good for providing weird experiences, and even some controversy.
Sarah Chandler of the Isabella Freedman Jewish Retreat Center has come up with a new procedure for kappparos. Instead of grabbing the chicken and whipping it through the air, as she says, one would say the kapparos and then embrace the chicken while confessing the sins. A hug solves all ills.
Just to be fair, I would protest the use of the terms grabbing the chicken and whipping it through the air. I rarely see people whip it through the air. Most people wave it gently and uncomfortably. Also the grabbing it is unusual. Most people pick up the chicken very hesitatingly and cautiously.
Back to the hugs, even though hugging the chicken is not the Standard Operating Procedure, I don't think hugging the chicken is really any weirder than waving it over one's head. Or any weirder than waving palm fronds, confessing sins over a body of water with fish (and throwing crumbs in or not), eating a fish head or any of the other symbolic customs we perform on our holidays...
Still weird. I am not hugging a chicken, though I am also not waving it over my head...
Sarah Chandler of the Isabella Freedman Jewish Retreat Center has come up with a new procedure for kappparos. Instead of grabbing the chicken and whipping it through the air, as she says, one would say the kapparos and then embrace the chicken while confessing the sins. A hug solves all ills.
Just to be fair, I would protest the use of the terms grabbing the chicken and whipping it through the air. I rarely see people whip it through the air. Most people wave it gently and uncomfortably. Also the grabbing it is unusual. Most people pick up the chicken very hesitatingly and cautiously.
Back to the hugs, even though hugging the chicken is not the Standard Operating Procedure, I don't think hugging the chicken is really any weirder than waving it over one's head. Or any weirder than waving palm fronds, confessing sins over a body of water with fish (and throwing crumbs in or not), eating a fish head or any of the other symbolic customs we perform on our holidays...
Still weird. I am not hugging a chicken, though I am also not waving it over my head...
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The bark mitzva has become kapparos
They used to say that what the Reform do today, the Conservative will do in 15 years, and the Orthodox will do in 30.
While we often hear criticism of the Reform for their "bark mitzvas", with the same few videos on Youtube being pointed to as proof, the trend of sharing our religious experiences with our pets has eventually found its way to Orthodox Judaism...
What are MKs Yiroel Eichler and Menachem Eliezer Mozes goign to do next time they talk about the Reform bark mitzvahs and this gets thrown back at them?
While we often hear criticism of the Reform for their "bark mitzvas", with the same few videos on Youtube being pointed to as proof, the trend of sharing our religious experiences with our pets has eventually found its way to Orthodox Judaism...
What are MKs Yiroel Eichler and Menachem Eliezer Mozes goign to do next time they talk about the Reform bark mitzvahs and this gets thrown back at them?
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kapparos with the Braekel
I wonder... if I do kapparos with a Braekel chicken, do I keep my sins or do they go onto the chicken? Does it depend which rabbi I follow and which hechsher I eat? What if I eat from both the hechsher of the people who oppose the Braekel and from the people who certify the Braekel as kosher?
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Aug 29, 2017
no kapparos with chickens in Petach Tikva
If you plan on doing your kapparos with a chicken, you had better plan to do it almost anywhere besides for Petach Tikva. Petach Tikva is once again joining Tel Aviv in banning the practice of kapparos with a chicken from its streets, due to the "tzaar baalei chaim" involved in the practice.
City Hall of Petach Tikva is actually only banning the slaughtering of the chickens, but the practice of kapparos with a chicken without slaughtering it will be allowed but only with a permit from the veterinary services. Permits for this should be requested no later than September 9. I am not sure what people with permits are going to do with the chickens after the kapparos if they will not be allowed to shecht them, but I guess they'll figure something out.
City Hall recommends changing your minhag to do the kapparos with a donation of money to tzedaka instead of using the chicken.
Source: Srugim
It must be Elul already....
City Hall of Petach Tikva is actually only banning the slaughtering of the chickens, but the practice of kapparos with a chicken without slaughtering it will be allowed but only with a permit from the veterinary services. Permits for this should be requested no later than September 9. I am not sure what people with permits are going to do with the chickens after the kapparos if they will not be allowed to shecht them, but I guess they'll figure something out.
City Hall recommends changing your minhag to do the kapparos with a donation of money to tzedaka instead of using the chicken.
Source: Srugim
It must be Elul already....
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Oct 10, 2016
Melech recommends a feather-free alternative (video)
cute
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the kapparos chickens that died in his hands...
According to Kikar, an interesting, and weird, incident happened at a Kapparos location in Jerusalem.
A family went to do their annual kapparos with a chicken ceremony. When performing the ceremony over the 1.5 year old son, immediately after saying the phrase "this rooster will go to its death", the rooster died in their hands.
The father freaked out a bit, as anybody would, and went and replaced it with a different rooster. Upon performing the ceremony again the same thing happened a second time - the rooster died in their hands immediately after saying the phrase "this rooster will go to its death".
As they say, third time is a charm. The third set worked and the rooster did not die until they killed it.
Afterwards the father went to his rav to ask what it all signifies, if they must be concerned. The rav's answer was very rational and instead of saying he has to do tshuva for something or it shows someone was meant to die, God forbid, but received forgiveness, or anything like that, he railed against the kapparos ceremony as performed today saying it is prohibited to do kapparos in the street, the chickens are left in the heat and not given water to drink, they are left outside in the heat for 15 hours, cages on cages... it is tzaar baalei chaim..
Either way, it would freak anyone out...
A family went to do their annual kapparos with a chicken ceremony. When performing the ceremony over the 1.5 year old son, immediately after saying the phrase "this rooster will go to its death", the rooster died in their hands.
The father freaked out a bit, as anybody would, and went and replaced it with a different rooster. Upon performing the ceremony again the same thing happened a second time - the rooster died in their hands immediately after saying the phrase "this rooster will go to its death".
As they say, third time is a charm. The third set worked and the rooster did not die until they killed it.
Afterwards the father went to his rav to ask what it all signifies, if they must be concerned. The rav's answer was very rational and instead of saying he has to do tshuva for something or it shows someone was meant to die, God forbid, but received forgiveness, or anything like that, he railed against the kapparos ceremony as performed today saying it is prohibited to do kapparos in the street, the chickens are left in the heat and not given water to drink, they are left outside in the heat for 15 hours, cages on cages... it is tzaar baalei chaim..
Either way, it would freak anyone out...
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Sep 29, 2016
this year do kapparos with money (video)
cute
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Sep 26, 2016
Tel Aviv is not Mea Shearim
The City of Tel Aviv has decided to allow the minhag of kapparos to be fulfilled in the streets of Tel Aviv but they are banning the slaughtering of the chickens in the streets.
According to Behadrei, the city spokesperson said that they will not allow slaughtering or harming of animals in the public and open spaces of the city. Tel Aviv is a city that leads the way in the protection of animal rights and will do whatever necessary to prevent the harming of animals and damaging their rights. They also, therefore, do not allow the use of animals in circus performances in the city.
The Haredi representative in Tel Aviv rejected the claim that Tel Aviv is working to prevent the performance of the kapparos minhag, explaining that they are allowing kapparos to be done just not allowing the shechita to be done in the streets - indoors, in a private house, a butcher shop or in a shul is perfectly fine though. To quote Natan Elnatan - "there is no halachic oblogation to shecht the kapparos chicken in the street".
Elnatan also said that the fact that in Mea Shearim they take the coops out to the street and shecht there does not mean that it has become a tradition from our forefathers. In Bnei Braq also, he says, the merchants have taken over Rabbi Akiva street and you cannot pass by because of the shechting of chickens - not in Tel Aviv.
I love his answer. So sensible.
According to Behadrei, the city spokesperson said that they will not allow slaughtering or harming of animals in the public and open spaces of the city. Tel Aviv is a city that leads the way in the protection of animal rights and will do whatever necessary to prevent the harming of animals and damaging their rights. They also, therefore, do not allow the use of animals in circus performances in the city.
The Haredi representative in Tel Aviv rejected the claim that Tel Aviv is working to prevent the performance of the kapparos minhag, explaining that they are allowing kapparos to be done just not allowing the shechita to be done in the streets - indoors, in a private house, a butcher shop or in a shul is perfectly fine though. To quote Natan Elnatan - "there is no halachic oblogation to shecht the kapparos chicken in the street".
Elnatan also said that the fact that in Mea Shearim they take the coops out to the street and shecht there does not mean that it has become a tradition from our forefathers. In Bnei Braq also, he says, the merchants have taken over Rabbi Akiva street and you cannot pass by because of the shechting of chickens - not in Tel Aviv.
I love his answer. So sensible.
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