Showing posts with label El Al. Show all posts
Showing posts with label El Al. Show all posts

Jul 14, 2024

But they flew

But they flew

My response to the survey of El Al in the previous post.

But they flew

When all other airlines, and most of all the airlines that fly to North America, disappeared during the war at the slightest appearance of anything concerning, El Al continued to fly.

Expensive? Yes, but that is the free market law of supply and demand. All the other airlines stopped flying, El Al had a limited number of seats available with many more people than available seats vying for them. Naturally the prices go up accordingly. As someone who had to fly during that period and had to pay the high prices of El Al, I still say this.

And mostly....

But they flew. When nobody else did.


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A SURVEY OF EL AL AIRLINES IN WAR TIMES

A SURVEY OF EL AL AIRLINES IN WAR TIMES

 

By

Dr. Harold Goldmeier with assistance from Leora Cohen, Bella Katz, and Moriah Rosenthal.

Dr. Harold teaches at Touro College Jerusalem. He is an award-winning entrepreneur receiving the Governor's Award for family investment programs in the workplace from the Commission on the Status of Women. He was a Research and Teaching Fellow at Harvard.  Harold is a Managing Partner of an investment firm, a business management consultant, a free public speaker on business, social, and public policy issues, and taught international university students in Tel Aviv.

 

 

El Al is Israel’s flag-carrying national airline. It is prospering from the Hamas war recording its best first financial quarter of the fiscal year in the firm’s history. That is not as cringe-worthy as it seems at first glance. The company’s revenue in the first quarter of 2024 was 48% higher than the first quarter of 2023. Profit topped $80M.

 

When other major carriers erratically canceled flights and ultimately ghosted Israel after Hamas invaded, El Al swiftly added routes. Planes were packed with passengers and cargo. Ticket prices doubled and tripled, as weeks turned into months. The company CEO unashamedly told the press, to paraphrase, that is what happens when the competition folds under pressure.

My students in our Entrepreneurship class at Touro College Jerusalem surveyed a small sample of the English-speaking public at random in May to gain insights into the public persona of

El Al is under stress. 

 

Over decades of Middle East conflict, commercial airlines kept flying into Israel. They dealt with threats from terrorists’ missiles and anti-aircraft weapons. Flight crews operated in the liminal state between life and death. Open Skies sent a political message in addition to underpinning the nation’s commercial development.

In October 2023, alerts were issued warning pilots that a commercial plane might be mistaken for an enemy aircraft. There were warnings of debris in the sky from missile intercepts; manipulation of Internet location services to fool invaders; and GPS spoofing potentially affecting flight patterns. Pilots faced uncertainties about where to land in emergencies. In wartime, insurance premiums skyrocket. Planes had to carry extra fuel in case of diversions to other airports. Delays in take-offs and landings add to costs and money lost.

 

El Al is a cultural icon as well as a commercial venture. A blue and white Jewish star is the El Al symbol on every plane’s tail; the airline is woven into the fabric of the nation. Hostages in Entebbe? Divert El Al jumbo jets to extract them. Refugees fleeing Ethiopia? Build clandestine runways in the Sudan desert, rip out the seats in El Al jets, and pack men, women, and children on the floor for flights to their Biblical homeland. Rescue plans have sobriquets like Operation Solomon, Operation Magic Carpet, and Operation Ezra and Nechemia. El Al sent a plane to bring captured Nazi mass murderer Eichmann from Argentina to Israel for trial.   

 

It is the only airline equipped with onboard missile defense systems. Its airplanes did not fly Friday night until sundown Saturday night for 40 years until the state’s rabbis permitted Sabbath flights to bring home soldiers and military cargo from overseas after the invasion of Israel by Hamas.

   

The company is under relatively new management; kudos to them for keeping Israel's skies open to the public, essential cargo flowing into Israel, and turning a profit. There are problems they need to fix.  Here are highlights and lowlights from our findings.

  

El Al profited despite offering discounts to passengers rushing to Israel to rejoin military service units and a flurry of diplomats flying to foreign capitals. El Al became a lifeline for supplies when Red Sea ships became Houthi targets carrying cargo for the war effort and commercial goods for the public. Despite fewer tourists, El Al upped its market share to 80% in the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to 22%, previous to Black Sabbath, October 7th.

 

In the end, record revenue and profits come down to supply and demand; i.e., ticket prices soared because El Al safely flew when other airlines canceled Tel Aviv service, citing safety concerns and sky-high insurance premiums. Perhaps competitors who cancel their flights and ghost Israel will be enticed to return to Israeli skies. That might lower ticket prices, increase tourism, and speed up deliveries of essential cargo.

 

My students each asked travelers between 21 and 55 years of age 12 questions about flying to Israel and El Al, specifically. Students describe the undertaking this way: “We raised questions about El Al that collected constructive criticism, identified competitors, quantified customer loyalty, and more. By receiving this feedback, opportunities to improve business success and business strategies can be identified.”

 

They found El Al is the most popular airline among Israeli respondents when buying tickets, with an average favorability rating of 7.5 out of 10. This coincides with other studies, for instance, as reported by Flight-report, that claim El Al gets an average 8 out of 10 rating by frequent fliers in peacetime. Students ranked respondents’ suggestions that the airline improves seating comfort, in-flight entertainment, and customer service. Americans believe competitors have “better frequent flier programs, more comfortable seating, and superior customer service…. The respondents’ dream flight experiences include easy booking, first-rate customer support, cozy seats, and reasonable costs.”

 

El Al’s support services rate poorly (5.5/10) by American fliers. The sky-high ticket prices that jumped since last October, dramatically contribute to the poor perception of El Al more frequently than it does of other carriers. Perhaps travelers see this as gouging in tough times; rightly or wrongly, we must see the long-term impact on El Al’s reputation.

 

“Younger respondents,” writes one student, particularly those in their early twenties, often prioritize affordability and comfort, while older customers in their forties and sixties focus on service quality and loyalty perks.” The breakdown applies to female respondents and male respondents, respectively. Long wait times for check-in service and misinformation from staff are particularly annoying to customers. “Despite these mixed reviews, many customers are willing to buy from El Al again, primarily due to the airline’s reliability and loyalty, especially in challenging times.”

 

Random comments from respondents point to other areas for improvement. Bathrooms on El Al can be filthy, needing regular cleaning; staff ignored complaints about a dog roaming the aisles on one flight; “teaching crew politeness and cross-cultural training would be an improvement… because El Al services globally to a large array of varying cultures.”

 

Notable comments include fliers’ appreciation for upholding Jewish values, particularly not flying on Jewish holidays and providing kosher meals. Elisheva got special attention from the flight crew when she was pregnant. Others take note that “El Al brought free bags to Israel for soldiers in the current Gaza war, and “they value the sense of security they experience on El Al’s flights because, for example, each flight has sky marshals with concealed arms.”

 

Finally, the students suggest El Al’s marketing ought to focus on people loyal to Israel and stop wasting marketing money on the general population. “Even in wartime, supporters of Israel have proven to be loyal and active consumers.” El Al is like an 18th-century poet’s lonely bird from “haunted places of sadness.” Israel is under siege. Our children are dying. Hostages are captive. But the national airline is “soaring in a flood of gladness” bringing hope with every Magen David landing and take-off on the tail of those lonely birds. 

 






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Oct 25, 2023

Picture of the Day




Yesterday, El Alfilled a cargo plane with 20 tons of supplies for IDF soldiers, displaced families, and hospitals in Israel. Pictured here are 200 seats on board that were also filled with supplies and pictures of the hostages still being held by Hamas. It sends chills down my spine, to see the enormity of how many they have taken from us.
AmudimOrg
and Phoenix Insurance partnered to help with this flight.
source: DansDeals


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May 30, 2022

shnorring in unexpected places

I recently flew El Al.

At the end of each flight, the captain announced over the PA system a request that people donate some of their spare change to a specific organization (which I am not naming). The announcement said there would be an envelope in the pouch in front of each seat, but there was no envelope - moments later a flight attendant walked up and down the aisles with a bag for passengers to dump their donations in.

As worthy as that organization is (and it is an organization I have donated to in the past), I was a bit surprised and rankled by the announcement. I really did not need or want El Al to be shnorring from me at that time, at the end of a long, tiring, uncomfortable flight. Even for a great organization. I can give to any organization whenever I want, I do not need El Al's help with that. A lot of money was already paid to El Al - I dont need El Al asking for more, even for just pennies or shekels/agurot. 

I know there is nothing wrong with it, and I know I can just choose not to give, and I know if some people give (and they did) it is a good deed done. But still, I dont like to be solicited to. If I were flying for free, and El Al had sponsorships to cover the cost (like free websites have advertising and whatnot), that would be one thing. But if they are not flying me for free, I don't need or want them to then also shnorr from me.

As they say, time and place.







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Feb 14, 2022

Flying the Minyan-Friendly Skies

According to Globes, El Al is going to start a trial of making official minyanim on long haul flights, in an attempt to put an end to the ad hoc minyanim that disturb passengers and crew alike.

The official minyanim will be held in the back of the plane, in the galley and times of services will be announced in advance by the cabin crew and on the screens by each seat. They say the minyanim will be contained in the galley and will not spill over into the aisles, so as not to disturb passengers seated in that area. Participants in the minyan will have to continue wearing their masks (I assume this is just for now with the mask mandate on flights but if that ever gets removed, the minyan-goers will no longer need to either).

ElAl has instructed its crews to prepare for this and to arrange their kitchen tasks and needs to be in sync with the minyanim allowances. The morning services will likely be scheduled for sunrise. In cases of weather difficulties, turbulence and the like, participants may be required to go back to their seats.

It is about time they are arranging some way to make it organized, instead of fighting about it every flight and having ill will between passengers and crew and each other.

I think they need to actually start two minyanim, so every praying-passenger will have the minyan he goes to and the minyan he wont attend.

Will women want a minyan as well? equal rights!

What happens if someone misses sunrise and wants to start another minyan?

I think they should also build a prayer area by the galley. They can install a bima and aron kodesh, have a permanent gabbai to run the minyan, maybe even hire a chazzan and a baal kriya! They will next install a bookcase with siddurim. And then next year they will open a yeshiva and kollel! ElAl should put out a fundraising call to name the ElAl inflight shuls after a dearly departed. :-)

Just joking. I really think it can be a good idea and that this is something that should have, could have, happened a long time ago. 




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Aug 30, 2020

Is El Al operating or not?

I don't get this whole ElAl thing. We know ElAl is suffering, just as almost all airlines around the world are. ElAl shut down because of it. That is all understandable. ElAl keeps extending their shutdown, even though by now plenty of airlines are flying, even if on abbreviated schedules and routes. Still understandable. ElAl is way behind, in bad debt, and the little money they could make now probably would not cover the costs, let alone the debt.

Ok. Fair enough. 

It has made sense. Until now.

Suddenly we have a peace deal with the United Arab Emirates, with the potential for a new route of flights for travel between Israel and the UAE. Israel is sending a delegation to the UAE this week, and ELAL somehow won the right to operate this flight

Let's not forget, despite appearances, ELAL is not the national carrier. ELAL is a privately owned airline. They have been there for Israel in tough situations, even recently, such as during Corona they flew some emergency rescue flights from countries around the world.

But either they are in business or they are not in business. If they are in business, they should be operating flights around the world for Israelis, and anyone else, to be able to travel. They should also be working to pay off their debts and re-employ their employees who are mostly still on furlough. If they are not in business, let a different airline fly to the Emirates.

I get that maybe there is something symbolic about ELAL flying over Saudi Arabia and into the UAE, but either run the airline or don't. 




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Nov 10, 2019

Epic! Drawing a 747 on LAST EL AL 747 Flight (video)

pretty cool

EL AL is ending the service of their Boeing 747, after 48 years of operation. This video is part 2 of 2 featuring the final EL AL B747 Flight LY1747 from Rome to Tel Aviv on 3 November, 2019. The 747 flight took a one-time flightpath to create the 747 shape commemorating El Al's final commercial 747 flight. The final flight flew low over the Mediterranean, south-west of Cyprus to fly and “draw” in the shape of 747 jumbo jet; a complex two-hour manoeuvre revealed in real-time by flight tracking apps such as FlightRadar24. Watch the video how the pilot drew the 747 in the sky before returning to Tel Aviv for an emotional farewell.





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May 22, 2019

Iceland anti-semites complain about El Al seats

This is funny.

Many are familiar with the heavy metal band from Iceland that performed in Eurovision this past week in Israel. Initially they wanted to boycott as part of the BDS movement but then decided not to. They turned their already bizarre performance into a political spectacle as they waved Palestinian flags during the voting. They have since come under heavy criticism and Iceland might actually be banned from future participation because of them.

It turns out they flew El Al and did not like their seats on the return flight home. They say they were each assigned of the worst seats on the flight (middle of row, near bathrooms, etc). They claim it was intentional due to their political views and behavior during the Eurovision. After landing back in Iceland they decided to file a formal complaint against El Al.

If they are in favor of BDS, while I understand forgoing that to perform in Eurovision, I do not know why they flew El Al. Perhaps they should have flown a different airline. Or maybe that was the only flight available between Iceland and Israel. I don't know - it just sounds strange for such people.

If El Al really "punished" them and gave them the worst seats, that is childish, funny and wonderful. Take that!

El Al denies it, and says everyone is treated equally by El Al, some might say equally bad, regardless of their race, gender or political views.

The thing is, whatever seats they were, they are regular seats on the flight. Assuming a full flight, some people are going to be assigned those seats. Presumably they are as inadequate as all the other seats on a commercial airline, so I am not really sure what they have the right to complain about in this instance. If this person was not assigned that seat, someone else would be. Can anybody seated in an undesirable seat file a complaint? Should El Al rip those seats out of the plane so nobody has to suffer in them? As long as they were given regular seats and treated the same as everyone else regarding service offered on the flight, they don't seem to actually have much of a complaint.

Regardless, welcome to the club of passengers not happy with El Al service...

source: Mako News





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Nov 26, 2018

El Al's streak of bad luck continues

We all go on streaks of periods with a good run of luck and sometimes, unfortunately, streaks of periods with a bad run of luck.

El Al is going through the latter right now...

The news today announced that a senior security officer of El Al has been Arrested for being involved in drug smuggling (specifically cocaine), and using the El Al planes and flights in the process. The alleged involved are Rami Yogev and his son Shalom along with two more El Al employees.
sources: Ynet and Haredim10

As if they didn't have enough bad headlines right now...

To put some humor into a tough situation, perhaps the real reason they stopped in Athens 10 days ago on the now infamous flight 002 was to drop off, or pick up, some drugs. Perhaps the missing luggage with all the Shabbos clothes also had some sort of drug involvement...

More humor - they have not said it yet, but we are all waiting for the El Al press release blaming the Haredi passengers for the drug smuggling...

To be fair, sometimes you make your own bad luck...





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Picture of the Day



It seems Rabbi Sorotzkin accepted the "apology" and compensation as adequate because shortly after declaring a boycott and cutting up his El Al Platinum card, and saying he canceled his flight for today, he made his way quickly back to El Al for the flight...

Eli Bitan's comment/caption on this picture was the best: I'm Not Your Toy

UPDATE: There was an interesting interview with Rav Sorotzkin in the Mishpacha magazine (Hebrew edition) that past week. Mostly it was about his relationship with Rav Shteinman, but they touched on this issue. I think it is only fair for me to mention his response here.

They asked him about the apology and his flying El Al right away and if it was all just a show... Sorotzkin responded that the fight with El Al was only about the accusation that Haredim were violent on the plane. Nothing else. He said that he does not have time for long drawn out battles. He has responsibilities and has to run his yeshivas and kollels. As soon as El Al put out that letter that they never said the Haredim were violent, that was good enough for him and he had to get back to work. If other people want to continue fighting because this letter was not adequate, that is up to them and he does not tell anybody else what to do.




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El Al fails to placate the passengers of 002 despite compensation

El Al published an "apology" letter in an effort to placate the upset and maligned passengers from flight 002 and to try to fix their public image a bit.



Translation:
El Al finds it necessary to clarify, as it has already done in a statement to the press on November 19, that it put no guilt or blame upon the secular, religious or haredi communities in the incident that was reported.
Any publicity was done without any El Al knowledge.
El Al does not distinguish between passengers by sector or race or nationality in any way.
The administration of El Al backs up and values the air crew and the ground crew of the relevant flight for the work they did that was שגצןרשנךקץ
El Al has decided to grant a two-way ticket to Europe to each of the400 passengers due to the inconvenience caused to the company's clientele.


This is not an apology letter. There is no apology within. It is dismissive of the insult and pain caused to many of the passengers. I have no idea if the compensation is fair or not and will not comment on that, but the compensation, it seems to me, was a minor aspect of the issue and conflict. The main aspect the passengers were looking for was to have their pain and insult acknowledged by El Al and addressed. And El Al did not do that. I am sure every word of the letter was analyzed by their legal team to ensure no blame is taken in anyway so as not to open El Al up to any lawsuits, and as a corporation they need to be responsible for such concerns, yet with all the defensive protecting of themselves, they totally ignored the passengers they are trying to placate.



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Nov 25, 2018

Quote of the Day

The boycott is in place until El Al apologizes..

  -- Rav Shalom Ber Sorotzkin, announcing tonight a Haredi boycott of El Al until El Al apologizes for their behavior in the recent fiasco....

Rabbi Sorotzkin canceled his flight scheduled for tonight and rebooked it on a different airline, and said this boycott will remain effective until El Al apologizes.. the othe roption is that it will stay in place until the other airline's Friday flight to Israel gets delayed and is not willing to detour to another country to let him off before Shabbos but continues on to Israel with Rabbi Sorotzkin, and/or others, no the plane landing on Shabbos.. With El Al the only airline willing to divert a plane to avoid a Shabbos landing, let's see how long this lasts.. or else they will learn to avoid scheduling a flight that will land shortly before Shabbos


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more El Al Shabbos problems

While the saga continues from 9 days ago, Haredi passengers are upset once again with El Al as this weeks Thursday night flight that was due to land at 13:15 on Friday afternoon landed but without some of the luggage. Some Haredi passengers had to go home, or to wherever they are staying, and experience Shabbos without their Shabbos clothes and shtreimels.

It seems there was a technical fault that caused a delay with one of the machines loading luggage on to the airplane, and instead of delaying takeoff, they decided to just takeoff without that portion of the luggage and send it later on another flight.

During the week this would not be a problem at all - either they would slightly delay the flight, get the issue resolved, and then off to Israel, or they would send the luggage on the next flight. On the Thursday night flight they run into Shabbos problems, so they cannot easily delay the flight even for a tiny bit, risking landing on Shabbos.
source: Kol Hazman

It seems to me that the solution is to not take these Thursday night flights that risk chilul Shabbos with any slight delay. To avoid chilul shabbos with these flights, everything has to work like a Swiss clock, and how often does that happen? Can anyone really expect El Al, or any airline, to always have perfect weather, no technical problems, no backups on the runway or whatever else might cause a delay? Many rabbonim have repeatedly called similarly upon the public to not fly on these flights scheduled to land right before Shabbos.

I get that people want or need to maximize their trips, taking advantage of the entire possible weekday schedule for their fundraising or business or leisure and want to come back at the last possible moment - but that treats Shabbos so casually and disrespectfully compared to the importance they give to their other involvements.

The solution to all these problems is to NOT take these last minute flights. Take Shabbos into consideration and take a flight scheduled to leave earlier that day or the day before, or after Shabbos.

Nothing I said is meant to absolve El Al of the need to treat all their passengers, including the religious and Haredi passengers, with proper respect and appropriate service and to do everything in their power to run the flights on time and without difficulties. The reality, unfortunately, is that flights are often delayed a bit for many reasons out of the control of the operators.





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Nov 18, 2018

El Al chooses bad business in blaming most loyal customers for bad experience

El Al looks to have gotten itself into a big mess, while trying to deflect blame from itself.

The second troubled flight from New York to Israel this past Friday that was affected by the snow storm was flight 002. After some hours of delays the flight finally took off with assurances from the crew that it would land in Israel before Shabbos. Eventually it became known that the flight would land on Shabbos and after some back and forth with upset passengers, the decision was made to land in Athens and put the religious passengers in a hotel with kosher food while the rest of the passengers would be shuttled to Israel.

El Al put out a notice that the Haredi passengers had created a stir, screaming, pushing and hitting, and even threatening to storm the cabin. They even (supposedly) filed a complaint with the police about this. Ynet ran an article making this claim and it raised quite a ruckus.

The one thing that El Al does not seem to get is that in today's day and age, everyone has a cellphone on them and can document everything that is going on. As well, everyone can post anything on the Internet and it does not need to get cleared by newspaper editors with agendas. After the plane landed in Athens and after the passengers discovered what El Al had done to them, accusing them of horrible behavior, the flood of counter-articles began. Yehuda Shlezinger, a religious reporter for Israel Hayom started it with his post to Facebook and post to Twitter saying that nobody was screaming and fighting, rather El Al lied to them, El Al tried to confiscate phones, El Al did not give answers, treated passengers badly, etc. Then other articles began appearing form other passengers in various news media, including "Kezteleh" writing in Arutz7, a passenger writing in Maariv, and others. I also have a friend who was on the flight who denied any such behavior and claims El Al made it all up.

Basically, El Al made up this fake news in an attempt to deflect blame form themselves.

Was there some screaming? Probably. Put 300 passengers in line for a flight that is a few hours late and surely a few people will be screaming. Put a few hundred Israelis together in any tight situation and a few people will be screaming. That's ok. Were they violent? The overwhelming number of eyewitnesses claim that the passengers were not violent and it was the El Al crew and staff that treated passengers badly. Even with all the claims made by El Al and in Ynet, and also reported by Kan, none of the video displayed (that I saw) showed violent passengers.

El Al owes the passenger sof the flight an apology. But more than that - the Haredi community is one of the last communities that continues to regularly support El Al and prefer flying with El Al over other airlines. I don't know why though I have heard in the past that El Al is the only airline on which the Haredim can fly while making some of their demands and behavior (gender segregation, minyanim, etc) without concern of repercussions and that is why they continue to prefer El Al... For El Al to treat one of their major customer bases like this, shaming them and blaming them and making false accusations against them is really bad business.


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Interesting Psak: chilul shabbos for sick passenger on El Al

There were a couple of newsworthy El Al flights from New York to Israel this past Friday, but this post will only deal with one of them. The other might be the topic of another post.

Kikar is reporting that flight 008, due to be diverted on Friday afternoon to Rome due to late departure (because of the snowstorm in New York) that would have caused them to have to land in Israel on Shabbos, changed its flight plan again and decided to land in Israel after sunset on Friday night - with the permission of Chief Rabbi Yitzchak Yosef.

One of the passengers on this flight was someone sick with cancer. While everything had been planned for Rome - hotel accommodations, kosher food and whatever else was needed - shortly before the flight was due to land in Rome the patients condition worsened significantly. The sick passenger's accompanying doctor contacted El Al medical staff and it was decided that the patient required complex medical care that could not wait until after Shabbos.

Upon consultation with the rav of El Al and the Chief Rabbi, Rav Yitzchak Yosef, it was decided that the plane could continue on its way to Israel despite the schedule having them landing after Shabbos. The chilul shabbos was permitted, for the entire planeload of passengers, due to the pikuach nefesh situation of this sick passenger. El Al arranged an ambulance to greet them at the airport and immediately whisk the sick passenger away to the needed medical care.



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Jun 28, 2018

MK Eichler denies any hadarat nashim on El Al flights (video)

MK Eichler claims it has never ever happened that someone was asked or demanded to change seats against their will...





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Jun 26, 2018

El Al to toss people from airplanes for refusing to sit

There was a recent news report of another incident on an El Al airplane where the flight was delayed for an hour and a quarter while some Haredim refused to take their seats as they were placed next to women. The staff got involved and eventually brought order and found solutions but it took a long time.

That wasn't so interesting. It has happened many times. El Al has proven to be the worst on this issue, because they are so dependent on the business of the Haredi community, which continues to prefer El Al over other airlines. Despite El Al claiming the staff are not allowed to get involved in such issues, they continue to do so, and they continue to upset many others to solve these situations.

What is interesting is the response of the management. After a large technology company, NICE, decided it would no longer send its employees on El Al flights because of this behavior, discriminating against women,  the  CEO of El Al issued a statement saying that the situation was dealt with using the appropriate sensitivity and that El Al is an airline that promotes equality and does not discriminate based on religion, race or sex - however, to remove all doubt, he also instructed staff across the board that from now on any person refusing to take his assigned seat, next to any other passenger, will be removed form the airplane.

If they need some instruction in how to do this, I would point El Al in the direction of United Airlines which has some experience removing passengers from airplanes...


I am just kidding about that, but I wait to see them actually remove a passenger for this rather than try to work it out, and at what point will they do so and stop other efforts of finding alternate seats.

In general, there really should be no reason to get to this point. This issue need not come up repeatedly as it does. The technology in seat reservation and booking should be able to offer, even if at a price, the option for people who dont want to sit next to women. When checking in, Haredi people not wanting to risk being placed next to a woman can reserve can entire row or select to be placed next to a male. Why this isnt in place, I dont know. And once we get that place, we can also then offer the option of not sitting next to a man, an African American person, a child, an Arab, or use any other qualifier you want.

I await the day when we will see someone removed from a flight for this reason. I will see that as an exciting and interesting news item.



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Mar 8, 2018

El Al complains about discriminatory decisions

Saudi Arabia recently gave permission to Air India to fly via Saudi Arabian airspace on its route to Israel.

This is a  significant improvement to the India - Israel flight, as it shortens the flight time by about two hours.

El Al is complaining that granting India Air to fly over Saudi Arabia but not granting the same right to El Al is discriminatory and violates international agreements. This discriminatory policy gives India Air a significant advantage over other airlines. They have filed an official complaint with the United Nations and has been looking for help in getting Saudi Arabia 
source: Reuters

I hope the result of this will be Saudi Arabia opening up their airspace to other companies, including El Al, flying the Israel route, and not canceling the flyover rights of India Air.

The other thing is, El Al should get other airlines on board to protest the issue and file the complaint against this decision. It is not only El Al being discriminated against.




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Oct 15, 2017

Haredi flight attendant on El Al

According to a post on Facebook (source: Haredim10) by her husband, Haredi model/actress/presenter Batya Schiff has now become a stewardess, flight attendant, with El Al.

It does not say she is the first Haredi flight attendant, female or not, and I have no idea if she is or is not. I don't find this newsworthy in any way and the announcement is probably just the work of her publicist/agent/public relations person just keeping her name in the news...

However, there is a way this could become slightly interesting.. that would be if she works a flight with the first, and for now only, Haredi pilot, female in this case. And especially if a couple more Haredi flight attendants join and turn it into a full Haredi flight crew. I wonder how that would look or change the nature of any given flight....




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Jun 22, 2017

Woman sues El Al for moving her seat

About half a year ago Mrs. Rena Rabinowitz announced she is suing El Al for having asked her to move and change her seat (in business class) in order to accommodate a Haredi male who did not want to sit next to her. Rabinowitz acquiesced and moved, but then sued.

As an aside, to digress, the attempt to move someone else is wrong. If someone does nto want to sit next to a woman, or to move his seat for any reason, he should be the one moved - not move the other person.

the court case has come to an end with a court-mandated agreement.

The Marker is reporting that El Al and Rabinowitz have come to an agreement, mandated and approved by the courts, by which El Al stewards and stewardesses will no longer be allowed to ask passengers to move and requesting such a move based on gender is illegal. El Al committed to training its employees to that effect. As well, they agreed on compensation to the tune of 6500nis.

One interesting point in the case is when El Al claimed they will not take into account any such seating request (i.e. to not be placed next to a female) in advance but during the flight if it helps passengers as a way of providing better service, being considerate of someone's religious sensitivities,  and helping the flight take off on time, they will try to accommodate. The judge then asked what would El Al stewards do if a passenger requests to not sit next to an Arab. El Al rejected any such accommodation outright and said that such a request would be immediately rejected, even at the expense of causing a delay.

El Al assumed it is not acceptable to discriminate against an Arab, and they considered asking one to move seats to be such discrimination, but when it is a woman they somehow no longer consider it discrimination.

Anyways, as per the agreement, El Al now has to find other solutions when such a situation will arise, as they committed to not asking women to move. Again, I don't know why the man was not being asked to move, considering he was the one with the problem, and maybe that will be El Al's solution in the future.







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