Feb 9, 2009

11 year old rule

My friends wife and 17 year old daughter went to a dentist in the Kiryah Haredi neighborhood in Bet Shemesh the other day. They finished and caught a #11 to return to RBS-A. The Superbus #11 route is a "mehadrin" line (As far as I know it is unofficial, because it is illegal, but it is recommended behavior for that community that benefits most from the 11, because they wish it to be so). So it is a "mehadrin" bus by custom.

As they entered through the front door and tried to pay the driver (and they were not the only women doing so), an 11 year old boy stood up and started screaming at them to get to the back of the bus.

This continued every few stops as females got on the bus. Finally after a while the bus driver told him to shut up, which didn't help.

So here is the result of being makpid on mehadrin buses - separate seating on buses. A chumra whose validity is questionable at best:
We have 11 year old boys telling 40 year old women what to do, just because they are male.

However, there is a revenge from the women against Superbus. Both my friends wife and daughter said that of the women who entered through the rear, most did not pay. Some who had an older male child with them did, as they sent their child with the money or card to the driver. Whether due to worries of, G-d forbid, entering the "men's" section, just the hassle of going up front, or an intentional response to being in the back, my friend's wife and daughter said that over 50% didn't pay. Add in the children with them and the numbers are much higher.

So not only do we have an unofficial mehadrin line where 11 year olds rule over the women, but the bus company gets to absorb the cost of 40% of their passengers riding for free.

Egged has a similar situation, but they deal with it differently - they were not going to allow 40%-50% of passengers not pay.... On the 418 line, another mehadrin line by custom, after the bus has left the charedi neighborhoods the driver sometimes pulls off to the side of the road, parks the bus, then goes to the back of the bus with his puncher and change machine and processed payment for all the women and their children in the back. On other occasions one of the men in the front volunteer to do the same, then take the driver's punch and change and go do so (why is he allowed to do this on a mehadrin bus??). Clearly this wouldn't work on a local bus - perhaps Superbus should simply run a mens-only and womens-only #11 buses for communities that want mehadrin, but in a mixed community I cannot see that working.

Regarding the 11 year old, if any of us finds ourselves on a bus with such a situation, we are obligated to stand up to it and stop it. Otherwise this is only going to get worse.

Some people are just pious idiots who would teach children to not respect elders - an aveira in the Torah - a d'oraisa- in the name of a chumra on top of a chumra.

Feb 8, 2009

2 big posts

Two big posts you should not miss.
The first is right below this - the online debate between YB and Likud.
The second is below that - interview with Uri Bank of NU.

Likud - Yisrael Beiteinu Online Debate

Before we begin the debate, I would like to thank those who made it happen. Jason Swirsky, of Frozen Politics, Eh', a supporter of Yisrael Beiteinu, came up with the idea of holding the debate and approached me, a supporter of the Likud. Together we worked on the details and made it happen.

We want to thank Danny Hershtal who is the debater for the Yisrael Beiteinu party, and Ariela Cotler who is the debater for the Likud party. Ariela and Danny devoted a lot of time to presenting their ideas and points, time that they did not have available, and time in which they had plenty of other important things to be doing.

The idea of the debate is that the Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu are very similar parties, and their direction and campaigning is really targeting many of the same people. This debate is an attempt to find some of the nuances differentiating between the two parties, and present them to you, so you can make an informed choice.

Our two debaters are Ariela Cotler and Danny Hershtal:

Danny Hershtal is number 22 on Yisrael Beiteinu's candidates' list and coordinator of the party's English Language campaign. Hershtal is originally from Toronto, Canada and studied at Yeshivat Har Etzion in Alon Shvut and at Yeshiva University. He is a former head of Bnei Akiva of Toronto and Chair of the Council of Zionist Youth Organizations. He made Aliyah in 2002 and served as Yisrael Beytenu's English spokesman and foreign media liaison during the 2006 election campaign. Danny lives in Kiryat Shmuel, Haifa with his wife and 3 children.



Ariela Cotler, a native of Jerusalem was educated at The Hebrew
University of Jerusalem and received her B.A. in History and Philosophy. She later studied at McGill University where she received her SSW and MSW degrees. Mrs. Cotler worked as Parliamentary Secretary in the Likud Party of Israel from 1967 to 1979. She also acted as Legislative Assistant for Likud Members of the Knesset, including responsibilities in areas of Media Relations, Speech writing, Public Affairs, Political Organization, and Legislative Drafting.
In Israel, she received citations from former Prime Minister Menachem Begin, and former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir for Parliamentary Work (1979). In Canada, she was the recipient of the Bess Pascal Leadership Recognition Award from the Montreal Federation. Ariela Cotler is the former Chair of the State of Israel Bonds Women's Division and was also appointed Montreal Director of Israel Bonds.

Again, thank you to both Ariela and Danny for taking the time to participate in this venture.

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The debate was based on 6 questions. Each question was sent to both sides to respond with their position. Then there was a series of four opportunities, two each, to respond to and rebut the opponent, and to fine tune their own positions.

Now, on to the debate!
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The following is the list of Questions that were debated between Ariela and Danny:

  1. The IDF has once again pulled out of Gaza. What does the government need to do to prevent the need for future military operations?
  2. Can a voter know what route a party will take AFTER the election (relative to the promises made during the campaign)?
  3. What should Israel's relationship, as a Jewish country, be with the Israeli Arab citizens?
  4. Why might a religious voter vote for your secular party rather than a religious party? i.e. How will your party relate to religious issues and provide the needs of the religious voter.
  5. Where do you see Arab/Israeli relations heading in the next 5 years (please relate to Israel's relationship with the PA, Syria and any other Arab country you wish to relate to)"?
  6. Is it better for the governing party to have a lot of mandates in order to govern as they please, or to have a weaker governing party with the smaller parties holding the balance of power
The answers and responses are the exact words of the debaters. I have only done basic editing including corrected spelling and adjusting formatting.
I randomly chose Danny's text to be written in blue, and Ariela's in green, to make it easier for you to see who wrote what. Do not ascribe any meaning to the colors chosen.

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Q1: The IDF has once again pulled out of Gaza. What does the government need to do to prevent the need for future military operations?

Danny:
  1. Seal our borders and demand Gilad Shalit's return.
  2. Respond with fire to any breach of the ceasefire, be it launching rockets towards Israel or smuggling in materiel.
  3. Drive Hamas underground by declaring our intention to resume targeted assassinations of their leaders.
Carrying out these threats will return our deterrence and show our strength of will. Hopefully, this will force Hamas to respect our borders and prevent the need for another incursion.

Ariela: Thank you for giving me the opportunity to participate in this debate. It is important for me to clarify one personal point from the outset: I am neither a candidate nor an official worker of the Likud. I am a volunteer, who feels the urgency and danger of these days. All the views expressed in the debate are mine, based on my understanding and knowledge of the people and ideology of the party I have the honor to represent.

As for the question - Chazal taught us: "Sof Maase bemachshava Tchila" .

This government made more mistakes in three years then any other. The problems around Gaza started with the unilateral withdrawal three years ago. Immediately after it, both the then P.M. Sharon and the minister of defense Mofaz, announced that "now, Israel will be able to react with all it's force, with the first violation of the peace, we will not allow our civilian population to suffer rockets etc..."
shortly after - Gilad was kidnapped... The gov't repeatedly said that it's doing everything in it's power to bring him home, and stop the shooting...

Nothing was done until three weeks ago, and when it finally did - the job was not completed - Gilad Shalit is still there, Hamas is re-opening the tunnels and declaring it's intention to destroy Israel, and Israel is again counting on Egypt to guard Philadelphi - (something they were committed to when Sharon's gov't GAVE them the control at the time of the Hitnatkot, and did nothing!)

So what does a Gov't have to do in order to avoid a repeat performance? BE TRUE to what it promises - if it is committed to respond - RESPOND, if our soldiers are kidnapped - and they say they are doing everything - DO IT. Why did this campaign end the way it did? a responsible Gov't should have reacted long time ago - in 2006, before Hamas became so strong, and the people of Sderot and area suffered thousands of Kasssams. A responsible gov't should FINISH the job, and declare from the outset that NOT ONE of our soldier will leave Gaza before we have Gilad Shalit in our hands! make it clear - both to the enemy, as well as diplomatically to the rest of the world -that WE MEAN WHAT WE SAY. This did not happen. It could not happen with weak leadership.

Danny: Since I agree with my counterpart's assessment, I will reply by resorting to ad hominem attacks. Shalom, Steinitz, Eitan, Livnat: current Likud candidates who voted for disengagement. Saar pushed for a referendum but worked to keep Sharon in power. Netanyahu only quit when the plan would definitely pass. Avigdor Lieberman and Uzi Landau fought the disengagement at the cost of their jobs. Who can be trusted not to repeat the grave mistakes my counterpart cited?


Ariela:
I can agree, in retrospect,that this behavior seems today to have been a "mistake". HOWEVER -AT THE TIME -they hoped that Sharon will accept the verdict of the Merkaz and the referendum - he didn't - They left.
Same argument can be used against Lieberman. He jointed Olmert's gov't while it was committed to a total withdrawal from Judea and Samaria -including Jerusalem. He kept this corrupt gov't in power. This gov't would have fallen long time ago if not for Lieberman's support...

It is a tactical mistake for Israel Beiteinu to focus it's attacks on Likud. For those who want to have a right - right of center gov't - We need a strong Likud to make sure that together we will form it.

THINK ABOUT THAT - VOTE LIKUD


Danny: Yisrael Beytenu joined Olmert’s government because Olmert publicly renounced his intention to make further territorial withdrawals and we prevented Labor and Shas from hijacking the budget. When Olmert went to Annapolis to renew the disastrous Roadmap negotiations, we quit the government on principle. Similarly, we will stand by our principles and object to any such moves in the future.


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Q2: Can a voter know what route a party will take AFTER the election (relative to the promises made during the campaign)?

Ariela: The first time a party departed completely from it's electoral promises was by Sharon. He was the one introducing the false concept "WHAT YOU SEE FROM HERE YOU DON'T SEE FROM THERE". This dangerous concept was at the birthplace of Kadima, and defines it from it's inception. Based on all parties history - they all more or less remained true to there platform,and I believe that, particularly because of the event of the past 5 years, all will be a lot more careful.
Gilad Arden publicly declared that this is an absolute commitment of LIKUD

Danny: After elections the results often govern how much any party can do. However, to judge if a party will act as the voter expects largely depends on the individual MKs. Yisrael Beytenu’s list was selected to best advance a specific platform. While our list is very diverse, we are of singular purpose and will make joint decisions. Our former ministers, Avigdor Lieberman, Uzi Landau and Itzik Aronovich have sacrificed ministerial positions for their principles.

Ariela:
I have known Uzi Landau as a person of great integrity. No doubt about him to remain true to his principles. However, in the same party there is another M.P - Sofa Landver - she is of opposite views to those of Uzi Landau - he is right she is VERY left. How is that going to work?
Indeed, in Likud too we may have some variation -moving between right and right of center, but not 180 degrees opposing of right and left.
For a stronger and more solid position dealing with the most critical issues- VOTE LIKUD

Danny: Sofa Landver has particular issues for Olim that she wishes to advance, which fit into Yisrael Beytenu’s platform. She has signed on to Lieberman’s security plan wholeheartedly. Uzi Landau left Likud, as a man of integrity, because he could not predict the direction it would take.

Yisrael Beytenu presents a clear platform and has talented people to put its ideas into place. Likud has two opposing camps and no clear message. So what does a Likud vote mean?

Ariela: I know first hand that Uzi Landau DOES NOT agree with Lieberman's ideas vis a vis the Arab population - both of the "Meshulash" and of Jerusalem. You can't claim that you believe in equal rights for all citizens and at the same time advocate transfer of all of them - the loyal and the not loyal alike. Uzi Landau does not agree with this position of Lieberman, one he expressed in several occasions in the past. Neither does Sofa. Obviously - there are opposing and confusing views within the party across the spectrum - from left to right.
It is Likud today that speaks in one voice - facing the difficult security and economic issues ahead of us. People with knowledge integrity and experience like Bibi, Begin and Bugi - together with their great group - are clearly a strong team to steer our boat safely at this stormy water.

Be sure you place our future in the hands of people with clear minds and clean hands. VOTE LIKUD FOR A STRONG GOV'T..

Danny: Yisrael Beytenu has voted as bloc in the past and will continue to do so in the future. Uzi Landau stated that he joined the party because he found himself voting along with our members more often than with his own party in the past. Our platform is public and detailed and can be seen at http://www.geocities.com/hershtal/PLATFORM.doc

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Q3: What should Israel's relationship, as a Jewish country, be with the Israeli Arab citizens?

Ariela: I grow up on both the Jewish - biblical value - not to oppress the GER VE'TOSHAV (Ger lo tonu ve'lo tilchetznu...) as well of Jabotinsky's poem ..."and there they shall live in tranquility - the son of Arab the son of Nazareth and my own one"...
Obviously - we are talking about recognizing the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF EVERY CITIZEN OF A RELIGIOUS OR ETHNIC MINORITY - PROVIDING THEY ARE COMMITTED AND LOYAL TO THE COUNTRY. If they are not - then Israel, as every other democratic country - has the right and obligation to defend itself, with every legal mean against those who are not loyal.
This had always been the position of my party -LIKUD

Danny: Israel must treat all its citizens as equals under the law. However, Israel must remain a Jewish State in name and in its institutions and symbols. An Arab who takes no issue with Israel being the Jewish State, and wishes to serve it in that capacity should be as welcomed as Ariella's husband was, as a loyal government minister in an Anglican country. However, we MUST legislate that without loyalty, no citizenship.

Ariela: Danny speaks about loyalty as a pre-condition to citizenship. This is clear and obvious. The problem is that he failed to address my concern with Lieberman's proposal to transfer ALL Israeli Arabs to the Palestinian state. -loyal and not loyal alike. As I said, I know clearly that even Mr. Uzi Landau opposes this approach.
I have 2 problems with it:
  1. It assumes that a Palestinian state is inevitable. WE IN THE LIKUD DO NOT THINK SO.
  2. It lumps together the loyal citizens - and we know that they are - with the not loyal ones. This is against our commitment in our Declaration of Independence - promising equal rights to all minorities who are willing to live in peace with us in a "Jewish and Democratic state".

Danny: A Palestinian state is NOT inevitable. Neither Uzi Landau, nor Avigdor Lieberman nor myself want to see one. However, Yisrael Beitenu has stated its minimum conditions for a Palestinian Autonomy to exist:

New leadership, unconnected to terror, recognition of a Jewish State, redrawing borders to annex settlements and the Jordan Valley to Israel and to disinclude Arab areas along the greenline.

These conditions show our negotiating red lines, while the Likud has presented no definite redlines. This makes Likud more susceptible to internal and external pressures.

We do not believe that a Palestinian state is necessary. However, we cannot accept one in which no Jews are allowed to live but Israel must accept a sizable HOSTILE minority (a loyal or indifferent minority could be accepted). We are setting a redline that we will not accept half of a state for the Jewish people.

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Q4: Why might a religious voter vote for your secular party rather than a religious party? i.e. How will your party relate to religious issues and provide the needs of the religious voter?


Danny: In the past, religious issues have been left to the religious parties and Shas has always won out. Yisrael Beytenu, with its religious and secular candidates has advanced bills to return our religious institutions to Religious Zionist hands. We have promoted the Tsohar Rabbis and their proposal for a legal partnership registry for those unable to marry Halakhically and we have backed Rabbi Druckman and have tried to diffuse the power a single, Hareidi controlled conversion Beit Din. We will continue to fund religious schools and use their model to change the public school system. If Yisrael Beytenu has the power to counteract Shas, we can promote a Rabbanut that Orthodox, traditional and non-religious Jews can be proud of.

Ariela: The history of Likud - based on it's founding parties - Herut and Liberal - is recorded in the history in and out Knesset debate over Israel 60 years, and before. It is encored in the fundamental belief of the link between our Religion -Land - People- which are bond together and inseparable. They are therefore,demanding of us all respect and the protection of our religion, moral values and principals. Therefore - religious -national -Zionist Jews always felt at home in our party - in the past as now.
I must admit - that the approach Yisrael Beiteinu is taking on the issue of " Who is a Jew" and conversion is problematic for a religious Jew.
Trust the clear record - stay with us and join us - vote Likud

Danny: In the past, the Likud tried to court the religious vote in order to win power. However, their record on religious issues has faltered. Looking to the future, Likud has said it will turn to Shas first in forming a coalition, meaning a continuation of the Hareidi social dominance. Only a very strong Yisrael Beytenu can ensure that the Religious Zionist Rabbis are granted more power. This will prevent a Shinui style backlash and allow the Rabbanut to take a more meaningful place in Israeli society.

Ariela:
  1. Likud believes in the concept of HALACHIC conversion, and FULLY SUPPORTED BOTH RABBI DRUKMAN AND THE ZOHAR RABBI.
  2. LIEBERMAN WANTED TO INTRODUCE A FORM OF CIVIL MARRIAGE - this is a mine field that we can not afford if we want, as we MUST remain united.
  3. ALL GOVERNMENTS - INCLUDING OLMERT's - WITH LIEBERMAN AS A PART OF IT - gave in to Shas. This is the unfortunate reality of the need for coalition building
Danny: Yisrael Beytenu joined Olmert’s governement to prevent Shas and Labor from hijacking the budget. A strong Yisrael Beytenu will be able to battle Shas, while Likud has expressed no interest in doing so. What Yisrael Beytenu wants to introduce is a civil partnership agreement, approved by Rav Shlomo Riskin, that affords couples who can’t Halakhicly marry the same civil rights as a properly married couple. If Likud does not support this proposal it will be from pressure from Shas and not based on its own ideology.

Ariela: For some reason - Danny chose to ignore my point about CIVIL MARRIAGE THAT Yisrael Beiteinu SUPPORTS.
As it looks more and more clearly: A VERY STRONG Yisrael Beiteinu MEANS; ZIPPI LIVNI AS A PRIME MINISTER - A RETURN TO THE PRE-'67 BOUNDARIES,INCLUDING JERUSALEM.

For all those who understand the danger; there is no other way -
VOTE LIKUD - מחל



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Q5: Where do you see Arab/Israeli relations heading in the next 5 years (please relate to Israel's relationship with the PA, Syria and any other Arab country you wish to relate to)"?

Danny: Syria: With Yisrael Beytenu in the government the Golan will remain in our hands. With that tactical advantage, our peace with Syria will be maintained.

PA: With Yisrael Beytenu in the government, clear redlines for further autonomy will be clear. We will maintain heavy presence in Yosh and probably Aza, until terror is stamped out (which won't happen in just five years.)

Other Arab countries: If we properly confront Iran, other Arab countries will deepen security ties with Israel, even if only through back channels.

Iran (and within 5 years, Pakistan) will present greater challenges than the Arab countries.

VOTE "LAMED"


Ariela:
  1. The events we experienced since Oslo had proven to us, at least, one point: The concept of LAND FOR PEACE FAILED. We lived through years of homicide bombers, increased terrorist attacks on civilians -both in the north in the south-including kidnapping of our soldiers from under the noses of UNIFIL AND UNRRA -culminating in the war against Hezbollah and Hamas.
  2. Syria and Iran are still the countries that finance and arm these terrorist organizations.
  3. Iran is getting closer to being nuclear.
  4. Syria has a strong army with the largest arsenal of chemical weapons.
  5. It is clear: every meter we withdraw from - became a base of aggression against us by the radical terrorist organization -and the weak leadership of the P.A - could not , or did not want to stop them.
THE INEVITABLE CONCLUSION IS THAT LAND FOR PEACE IS AN ILLUSION. THE ONLY WAY FOR a LONG AND LASTING PEACE IS A STRONG ISRAEL OFFERING PEACE FOR PEACE.
THIS IS AND WAS THE LIKUD POSITION -FOR A STRONG GOV'T WE MUST VOTE LIKUD

Danny: I could not agree with Ariela more. I especially like that she used the line “Peace for Peace”, which is a Yisrael Beytenu slogan, and the term “homicide bomber” , a phrase that I popularized in 2002. I will only add that Yisrael Beytenu has made it a goal to strengthen our ties with Europe, especially those elements which are similarly threatened by Iran and Pakistan’s Islamic Fundamentalism


Ariela: It's funny - but I heard the slogan PEACE FOR PEACE long before Yisrael Beyteinu became a party -FROM MENACHEM BEGIN! ...But who said what first is really not what's going to bring about this result - IT WILL NOT BE HELPED IF A WRONG PERSON IS GOING TO BE CALLED BY PERES TO FORM THE NEXT GOVERNMENT - AS WE GO TO VOTE -THINK ABOUT THAT.
VOTE LIKUD SO LIEBERMAN WILL BE A MINISTER IN A LIKUD GOVERNMENT, AND NOT IN LIVNI'S.
VOTE LIKUD

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Q6: Is it better for the governing party to have a lot of mandates in order to govern as they please, or to have a weaker governing party with the smaller parties holding the balance of power?

Ariela: The law of the land is that we are to have an election every 4 years. That is important in order to ALLOW THE ELECTED GOVERNMENT TO GOVERN, TO TAKE meaningful steps to improve the situation in the areas of IT'S responsibilities.

In the past few years - we had election every 2 years!!It can't contribute to effective governing,and is a waste of public funds, which we can't afford.
In que. 3 and 4 we dealt with THE problematic reality that a small party - holds the power to force it's possession on the majority (like Shas in religious and financial issues) AND can bring about a collapse of a coalition.
IF WE WANT TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT CAN GOVERN -PARTICULARLY IN THIS VERY DIFFICULT SECURITY AND ECONOMIC TIMES -WE MUST GIVE THE BIG PARTY ENOUGH MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO GOVERN.
WE MUST VOTE LIKUD - IF WE DO NOT WANT TZIPI LIVNI TO FORM A COALITION WITH LABOUR, MERETZ AND 'SECURITY BLANKET' OF THE ARAB PARTIES.

WE MUST VOTE LIKUD TO GIVE NETANYAHU THE STRENGTH TO FORM A STABLE AND STRONG GOVERNMENT.

Danny: It IS better for a party to have more mandates to govern as they please, but also to govern against the will of it voters. This is the situation that caused the disengagement fiasco. Likud has repeatedly expressed interest in forming a coalition with Kadima and/or Labor. Only a vote for a large Yisrael Beytenu will force Netanyahu to turn to the right and give right-wing voter the right-wing government they deserve.
VOTE "LAMED"


Ariela: For a Likud to form a coalition that will not be vulnerable to any party's black mail it must have a SOLID majority.
Lieberman did not commit to a right wing coalition. HE DID, AND MIGHT ONCE AGAIN - IF TOO STRONG - GO EITHER WAY.
If you believe that NETANYAHU must be Israel's next P.M, that we can't afford another LIVNI gov' - If you want Lieberman to be in a Government with LIKUD - VOTE LIKUD

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Closing Statements

Danny: In this debate we focused a lot on history: the most reasonable predictor of the future. We spoke about how Likud governments in the recent past have disappointed right wing voter, disappointed religious Zionists and have been susceptible to foreign pressures. Yisrael Beytenu opposed the disengagement and the roadmap but has tried to influence the government as much as possible in other spheres. Yisrael Beytenu has stated the strongest anti-terror and anti-treason policies. We have a dedication to maintaining the Jewish and Zionist values of the country and intend to return the state religious institutions to Religious Zionist hands. Yisrael Beytenu is gaining in popularity because those who were disappointed with Bibi’s failures as Prime Minister are searching for new leader for the Nationalist camp and Yisrael Beytenu can now take on that role as a strong right-wing party with a sizeable number of seats, poised to end the disastrous land-for-peace ideas that have dominated the last 15 years.

One extra advantage in voting - LAMED for Yisrael Beytenu is that your vote may put me in Knesset. A recent Globes poll gave Yisrael Beytenu the 21 seats it needs to make me your representative. I will work with the Absorption Committee and the Interior Committee to remove many of the hurdles faced by Olim from the West and increase government co-operation with organizations such as Nefesh B’Nefesh and AMI. As a recent Oleh, I can give this issue unprecedented effort and attention to reduce bureaucracy and eliminate the need for Protexia and lay the groundwork for facilitating further Aliyah. Also, I intend to be open to your queries and publish an indepth “congressional” newsletter to bring a more accessible, accountable and effective government. Send me to Knesset and you will see that our community is truly represented for the befinit of new and longtime Israelis. VOTE "LAMED"


Ariela: As we could all see, throughout this debate - there are similarities,and some differences between the two parties. BUT ONLY ONE PARTY LEADER IS A CANDIDATE TO BECOME ISRAEL'S NEXT PRIME MINISTER AND THAT IS NETANYAHU. I observed a very dangerous trend in the past few weeks - people WANT BIBI as P.M - and say that they will vote for him as P.M. and...for some another party... This is wrong!

THE VOTE IS WITH ONE BALLOT ONLY! if you want to see Netanyahu as P.M. you must vote LIKUD!

ONLY if Likud as a party will have a CLEAR MAJORITY-THE PRESIDENT WILL CALL ON NETANYAHU TO FORM THE NEXT COALITION! If Kadima will have a close Number - or even one or two less PERES ( A MEMBER OF KADIMA )WILL CALL ON HER FIRST!

I wish to remind us:
Twice the right wing parties brought in left wing gov't - and the people of Israel paid a heavy price:
1. In 1992 the right run with splinter parties -and lost 40.000 votes to parties that did not pass the threshold. SHAMIR LOST - RABIN BECAME THE P.M. - AND WE ENDED UP WITH OSLO.

2. In 2006 - many of the right voters stayed at home - we lost thousands of voters -and ended up with KADIMA with all the corruption, political and diplomatic zig zag - the next gov't will need to do a great job on damage control

IF TOO MANY OF THE RIGHT AND RIGHT OF CENTER WILL SPLIT THERE VOTES -INEVITABLY, AND UNWILLINGLY - THE RESULT WILL BE - ZIPI AS A P.M -
AND LIEBERMAN, WHO DID NOT YET SAY WHO HE WILL RECOMMEND TO THE PRESIDENT AS A P.M - MIGHT TAKE YOUR VOTE AND JOIN KADIMA LED GOV'T - HE DID IT ONCE - HE MIGHT DO IT AGAIN. (I wonder what my dear friend Uzi Landau will do if that will, as it might-happen!)

TO SECURE A STRONG GOVN'T TO DEAL WITH ALL THE CHALLENGES AHEAD OF US -

VOTE LIKUD - מחל

Feb 7, 2009

Interview with Uri Bank of Ichud HaLeumi

I have been given the opportunity to interview Uri Bank, a candidate on the Ichud Leumi, National Union, party list. The interview was delayed because Uri was called up for reserve duty in the Gaza War.

Uri Bank, 40, a political strategist and administrator, made aliya from the United States when he was twelve years old. At the age of seventeen, when his family returned to the States, he decided to stay in Israel on his own. He was a resident of the Gilo neighborhood of Jerusalem for 22 years, and moved to the community of Nevei Daniel in Gush Etzion in 2004. Uri is married and the father of three. He holds bachelor degrees in Political Science and Multidisciplinary Studies from the Faculties of Social Sciences and Humanities of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

Uri served in the Tank Corps as a “chayal boded” (a “lone-soldier” – a soldier who has no family in Israel) under the auspices of the Kibbutz Hadati’s Shiluv Program. This five-year program combines a full three years of army duty with two years of yeshiva study. Uri serves as a tank-commander in the reserves.

Uri is the Chairman of the Moledet Party’s Executive Board. He was recently elected number one on the Moledet slate for Knesset, which places him at number five on the joint Ichud Leumi (National Union) slate for the 18th Knesset.

Uri’s experience includes:

  • Director of the Ichud Leumi-Israel Beiteinu Faction in the Knesset.

  • Executive Director of the IDF preparatory yeshiva (“mechina”) in Nokdim.

  • Senior Advisor to MK Benny Elon – both in the Knesset and during Minister Elon’s terms as Minister of Tourism. In this capacity, Uri worked extensively on legislation such as:

    • Obliging the Government to obtain the approval of at least 61 Members of Knesset before negotiating with any other entity regarding the borders of the State of Israel.

    • Weaning the country’s budget off of its dependency on American financial support, in order to increase Israel’s independence in policy-making.

    • Applying Israeli civil law to the residents of Yesha.

    • Shortening the work-week to make Sunday a day-of rest.

    • Amending the tax-reform bill to reduce its harmful implications for Olim


Q: Why did you decide to get into politics in Israel, and why specifically with the Ichud Leumi party?

Uri: I've always believed in actively trying to implement and actuate my ideals instead of sitting on the sidelines while criticizing others and/or the given situation. This is why I became an activist on the grass-roots level while still a student at Hebrew U. Those were the Oslo years and my friends and I were out in the streets doing our very best to warn the Israeli public what would happen if land and guns were conceded to the palestinians under the flawed Land for Peace paradigm. Unfortunately, our warnings went unheeded and the price has been the terrible bloodshed that has unfolded ever since.
I am an idealist and believe in standing up for what I believe in - even if it means self-sacrifice when it comes to my time, my strength, my resources and my own position in life and/or politics.
I chose the Moledet party specifically because it was the only party that offered a real diplomatic alternative to the Oslo Accords/Road Map etc. It was the one party of the National Camp that was actually not only saying "NO" to the left-wing's suicidal plans, but actually offering up a viable plan of its own in order to end the Israeli-Arab conflict. The other element that attracted me to Moledet was the fact that it was not a sectarian party defined by religous or ethnic lines, but one who's ideology entails orthodox and secular Jews working together in true harmony. One of the things we make sure of is that none of members are "anti"... one cannot be a member of Moledet if one is anti-orthodox and the same is true if one is anti-secular. We are interested in people being good Jews, which means close to Jewish tradition and heritage, but not necessarily everyone being orthodox or the opposite.
The Moledet Party has always been one of the parties that make up the joint Ichud Leumi list for Knesset - ever since the Ichud's inception in 1999. The two conditions that Moledet has set down for its participation, which the joint Ichud Leumi list has always met, are the two issues I mentioned above: the list's platform including Moledet's diplomatic plan for resolvingthe Israeli-Arab conflict and the list including representatives of both the orthodox and the secular parts of Israeli society.

Q: How did you, a relative newcomer, get so highly placed on the Ichud leumi list?

Uri:Many people assume that as an English speaker, I must be a newcomer, but I have lived in Israel my entire adult life. I got involved in Israeli politics 15 years ago and have slowly but surely moved up in the ranks during that period of time.

Q: What do you bring to the Ichud that made you so obviously attractive to them?

Uri: I have accumulated a great deal of legislative experience as MK/Minister Benny Elon’s longtime senior aide and have had extensive experience in dealing with Knesset politics. I have served as director of the Ichud Leumi faction in the Knesset and I have been the Chairman of the Moledet party's executive Board for the past six years. I am also the Executive Director of the Israel Initiative, the only nationalist plan offered as an alternative to the Oslo paradigm and a member of the JNF Board of Directors. All of these positions have made me a uniquely prepared candidate; one that will be able to "hit the ground running" once elected to Knesset, without the long learning process that is characteristic for new MK's.

Q: Please tell us, the voters, why vote Ichud Leumi over any other right wing party (not against any specific party, but why specifically Ichud Leumi).

Uri: If you wish to understand a party, any party, you must look at two things, their voting record and their platform. I think that it has become abundantly clear that the Ichud Leumi has been the only party that has shown a consistent and strong opposition to territorial compromise. The Ichud Leumi is the only party that totally negates the institution of another palestinian state west of the Jordan River or any other type of giving land/sovereignty to Arabs, as well as being the only party that is promoting any kind of viable alternative peace plan that will bring real peace to Israel (see: www.Israelinitiative.com).

We have consistently been the most responsible voice in Israeli politics, warning anyone who cared to listen that the Land for Peace paradigm was doomed to fail and that conceding any land to the Arabs would only get us (and them…) more bloodshed. We are the modern-day Halutzim. The pioneers that have built up this country and were willing to live in Yehuda, Shomron and Gush Katif under harsh and dangerous conditions in order to protect the rest of Israel's citizens.

We are proud of the fact that we were successful in uniting five different parties and of the fact that we have Secular Jews and Haredi Jews as a central part of our leadership and constituency. Our commitment to cooperate with one another is not out of political need, but out of an ideology of Achdut Yisrael and together we create a much stronger force to fight for Am, Eretz and Torat Yisrael.

Our Chairman Ketzaleh and MK Uri Ariel have done no less, and maybe even more, than the Mafdal reps. when it comes to securing government funding for the Zionut HaDatit institutions and Arutz 7 and you can bank on the fact that they both will continue to do so with their proven talents and track records.

And on top of all of the above - you get one thing more when you vote for the Ichud Leumi... and that's me! The Jerusalem Post has recently named me: "the only Anglo candidate running with a party currently represented in the Knesset who has any chance of getting elected." I have formulated an initiative to help cut through the red-tape and injustices that many times accompany Western Olim absorption into the Israeli society and work force. Please see the attached document for the full details of this initiative. According to the most recent polls, I am the one who is now on the cusp. Voting for the Ichud Leumi will likely get me into Knesset, where I intend to serve as the Anglo Community's Congressman to whom I will be accountable.


Q: What is your opinion on the split in the National Religious political world and Ichud not running together with Bayit Yehudi? Will the split harm the right wing side of Israeli politics? Why could the unity party not work?

Uri: It is always a shame when there must be a political split. The Ichud Leumi believes in the essential unity of the Jewish people. This can be seen in the diverse composition of our party. The Ichud Leumi is constituted of Chassidim like Rabbi Wolpe, National Religious like MK Uri Ariel, Secular Jews like MK Dr. Arieh Eldad and many other strands of thought and lifestyle.

We have a vote sharing agreement with the Jewish Home party and look forward to working with them on legislation. However, the Jewish Home party has stated its intention to allow its MKs to vote as they wish on issues on territorial concessions.

Speaking with Arutz Sheva MK Nissan Slomiansky stated that “…it’s obvious that every Prime Minister in Israel has to talk with the PA; even I would talk with the PA……” The Jewish Home has declared itself to be neither a left wing, nor a right wing party. In effect, they have renounced nationalism and deterrence as part of their platform, and in doing so they have split the land of Israel camp.

Their previous Chairman Zvulun Orlev (the current #2 on their list) continued to sit in Ariel Sharon's government even after this government decided to expel the Jews of Gush Katif and Northern Shomron -thus contributing to Sharon's ability to actuate the expulsion plan.

Another advantage the Ichud Leumi has over the Jewish Home is that the Ichud Leumi represents the entire ethnic and ideological makeup of this nation while the Jewish Home is non-ideological and only represents the interests of one aspect, one group, within Am Yisrael. They are therefore a small, sectarian party that caters only to the National Orthodox community and does not serve as a bridge between the secular and orthodox sides of Israeli society. This is proven by the fact that they have never agreed to put a non-orthodox Jew on their list for Knesset.

Q: Which part do you see as being Ichud Leumi's main rival and competition for voters? Yisrael beiteinu? Bayit Yehudi? Likud? other?

Uri: I believe that the biggest danger to the land of Israel camp at this point stems from Lieberman’s Yisrael Beiteinu party. Lieberman’s campaign slogan is about the trust that we must place in him. I truly believe that we must trust Lieberman to act according to his principles and that we must believe his words.

According to the Yisrael Beiteinu party platform “The responsibility for primarily Arab areas such as Umm Al-Fahm and the ‘triangle’ will be transferred to the Palestinian Authority. In parallel, Israel will officially annex Jewish areas in Judea and Samaria. Israel is our home; Palestine is theirs.” Lieberman would give up large tracts of land within the Green line and hand them over to a PA that has a history of terror and radicalization of its subject populace. Lieberman has also stated his intention to give up neighborhoods in East Jerusalem as part of any peace agreement. This would cause a repeat of the shootings on the Gilo neighborhood a hundred fold upon us.

Moreover, Lieberman’s support for civil marriage would destroy the very fabric from which our Jewish state is cut.

Israel Beiteinu has taken the position, if you actually read their platform, of dividing the state of Israel and even Jerusalem, bringing such places as Ben Gurion international airport and West Jerusalem under the type of attacks that are currently being perpetrated on Sderot, Ashkelon, Beer Sheva, Ashdod, Saad, Netivot and more, due to the Likud led disengagement, which Bibi voted for.

Q: How do you plan on attracting voters and convincing them to vote for you rather than for that party (from above - the primary competition)?

Uri: I think that the most important thing for us to do is to simply show people Lieberman’s ideas in his own words. It becomes pretty obvious, once you read his platform, that his toughness against the Arabs is a calculated pose, with nothing substantive behind it. He would be tough against the Arabs? Even Kadima voted to ban the Arab parties. He is just Kadima with tougher talk.

Q: Do you have a message to the wider public, or are you purely a "settler" party? The ads Ichud have been running have been pretty limited to the "settler" public - "To Settle the Land and not be Afraid". Is that your target audience or do you see the party having appeal to the public at large?

Uri: Our message is one for the entire population of Israel. Almost every city, town and village was settled or resettled some time within the last hundred or so years. I think that the message here is that we should not have to be afraid to put down our roots and to settle anywhere in Eretz Yisrael, pre or post ’67 borders. Settlement does not refer to Judea and Samaria. Settlement refers to the Golan, the Negev, expanding Bet Shemesh and Jerusalem and building new cities like Modi'in. However, the continuing expansion of our population and its related economic and cultural growth is impeded by Arab aggression and Jewish timidity.

How can our pioneers, who are settling the Negev and continuing to make it bloom, continuing the dream of such as Ben Gurion, continue to live when they are under missile attack? How can Nefesh B’Nefesh convince new Olim, as they have been attempting, to move up north when there is a persistent threat from Hezbollah? We stand for the right of Jews to live anywhere within our land and our country without fear and without prejudice. This is not a limited message, we are all pioneers. Rafi, I believe that you live in Ramat Bet Shemesh. This is a settlement. By right, it is no different than Sderot in the Negev, or Maaleh Efraim in the Jordan Valley. Do not forget, that the Arabs consider your home as much a settlement as mine in Gush Etzion.

Q: Ichud Leumi is made up of various factions that would have run alone and probably wasted votes. Can Marzel, or any other faction for that matter, veto any future coalition agreement with the Likud? What power do the individual factions within Ichud have on the party as a whole?

Uri: The parties will reach their decision by democratic majority within the elected Knesset faction. None of the parties has the power to veto decisions, but we will make every effort to reach joint, unanimous decisions whenever possible.

Q: Is there anything else, a message or point that you would like to take this opportunity to get across to the voters?

Uri: The future of the state of Israel is now at stake. As a believer, I do not for a moment doubt our right to this land, or our eventual triumph. However, there is nothing written that says that it must be easy or that there will not be hard times if we do not stand fast and work hard for the dreams of our Zionist forebears. The left has brought us to a situation where we have been asked to sacrifice needlessly on the alter of “process”. By this I mean that the idealistic (though flawed) attempts at peace by Yitzchak Rabin have been replaced by a continuing allegiance to a dead process that has not brought us any closer to peace, but has caused tremendous death and destruction on both sides. If you wish to find the root cause of Arab suffering since 1993, please look no further than our own “peaceful” left.

I do not wish to be a “sacrifice for peace” nor do I want anyone else to suffer for the left’s repeated mistakes. I believe that we have seen the results of concessions, results that the Ichud Leumi has warned about since the beginning. If we want a strong Israel, if we want a secure Israel, if we want an Israel that is proud of itself, then we must choose to support a party that will not cater to the defeatists on the left and that will not buckle under pressure from nations that stood by as six million Jews were murdered.

There is hope, there is a future, there will be security, but we must be strong and resolute. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, and it is the Ichud Leumi.

Benjamin Netanyahu's Message to the Nation (video)

Bibi Netanyahu's sixth "Daily Message to the Nation"...

Feb 5, 2009

Motti Zisser on the National Religious

This interview with businessman Motti Zisser is very interesting. Zisser is affiliated with the National Religious, and has always been a supporter of the NRP.
In the interview, while he says he will be voting Bayit Yehudi, he criticizes the religious candidates and parties and discusses the options of the National Religious public.

Netanyahu's 5th Message of the Day (video)

Today's daily "Message to the Nation" by Bibi Netanyahu - this one is about voting Likud instead of one of the other parties on the right.

By one vote (video)

At first I thought this video was satire, as if Livni won the election by one vote, and everyone blames the one guy who did not go to vote, as if it was his fault the Likud lost, while around the world the arabs celebrate Livni's victory.

Then the video concludes, and you figure out that it is a Likud video trying to show what could happen if voters will be complacent, assuming a Likud victory, and not actually go out to vote thinking they don't need to.

This video impressed me...

sorry, but the embedding code does not seem to be working, so here is the direct link (you can even change the name used to personalize the message for someone else)

No Message to the Nation

I am disappointed with Netanyahu's "Message to the Nation" of yesterday, that wa sonly posted in the middle of the night.

It was not really a message to the nation, but he posted the speech he gave at the Herzliya Conference and titled it "Message of the Day".

So I am not going to post it. That is a cheap cop out. If you are going to make a short video message every day directly to the people, do it. Don't just take videos from other places.

He wasn't even looking at the camera during the speech - he was looking at the audience. So how can we accept that as a message to us?

Israel's train lines are on strike!

Great news to wake up to!

At midnight, the employees of "Rakevet Israel" - the trains authority - have decided to begin a strike against the system. They have shut down all lines all around the country. The trains authority says the strike is illegal (i.e. they did not get permission to strike from the labor courts), and are working to cancel it. It is over some squabble about how they get treated at work.

Great way to wake up - to news that your way to work does not exist. I hope they fire everybody as a way of solving this.

If you need to follow the strike to know when it canceled and the trains start running, you can either turn on your radio, or call the Rail hotline *5770 and hear updated messages about the status.

Feb 4, 2009

A sign from Hashem for whom to not vote!!

UTJ was supposed to have a big rally in Jerusalem, right about now, in an attempt to shore up support and win back some of their disenfranchised voters.

Rav Elyashiv was going to, probably (was being assumed by all), sign a declaration calling for everyone to vote UTJ, and then most of the rabbonim who have refused to sign until now would likely fall in line and sign. Then at least most of the disenfranchised voters would likely vote for UTJ as usual.

The rally was canceled at the last minute, due to the death of Rav Elyashiv's son in law, Rav Yosef Yisraelson.

A friend, Josh Nathan, said to me, that this must be a sign from God not to vote UTJ. Right as they were about to sign the paper telling people to vote for them, God caused it to not be signed.

I don't like speaking in God's name, but everybody else does nowadays anyway, so maybe it is a sign?

If it is a sign, I would really prefer a sign of who God does want me to vote for, and not just a sign of who He does not want me to vote for!

Baruch Dayan Ha'Emes.

A Kick in the Pants

"Sorry I missed the election that made you spokesman for the neighborhood."

That is the text of an email I received last night. That's it - nothing more. No name, no further explanation.

This was sent to me in response to an email that I sent to the local list describing the letter I sent to the director of Superbus, and his phone call to me. I am not sure where this person saw in any of the correspondence an indication that I consider myself a spokesperson for the community. I assume this person feels that nobody has a right to voice their opinion on anything, because in reality that is all I was doing. I was participating in a conversation and describing a conversation I had. I think I have as much right as anybody else, including the anonymous sender of the email, to voice my own opinion.

And whether I am spokesperson, which I am not but let's just say theoretically, or somebody else is, I guess this person prefers that Superbus management (who admitted to making this decision on their own) be the spokesperson for the community dictating to us how our neighborhood should look. And if not Superbus, then this person prefers that the various kannoim and rabble rousers be the spokespeople for the community.

This is not a popularity contest and I am not running for anything, so the sender of the email can have his or her own opinion, and if they prefer not to have one they can choose to follow the opinion of whomever they want.

But I still have a right to my own opinion.

But all that is beside the point. The truth is that the email was a bit of a kick in the pants. I therefore want to give a disclaimer for this blog.

I am the author of the Life in Israel blog. This blog is where I voice my opinions. That is it.

I am nobody's spokesperson, I talk for nobody else.

I simply talk about various topics that interest me in various ways, and I try to keep my readers interested and entertained. If you don't like my opinion, you are welcome to either argue with me and point out the error of my ways (I have even been known to once in a while change my opinion based on someone else sharing their viewpoint with me), to read my blog and just tsk tsk at my misguided life, or to go read someone else's blog.

This blog is open to the public. I have provided this as a place where other people can freely (even anonymously) voice their opinion on anything they like, and I try to encourage people to keep it respectful. I am proud to say that this forum has been found to be a fairly comfortable place for people to express their thoughts, myself included, and debate the issues openly.

But I speak for nobody. I am not the spokesperson for any of the following groups (in no particular order):
  • frum jewry
  • haredi Jewry
  • national religious Jewry
  • Modern Orthodox Jewry
  • Conservative Jewry
  • Reform Jewry
  • Atheists
  • Yerushalmim
  • Hassidim
  • American Jewry
  • Israeli Jewry
  • Russian Jewry
  • Bet Shemesh people
  • RBS B people
  • RBS A people
  • Kirya Haredi people
  • Jerusalemites
  • Tel Avivians
  • Chicagoans
  • Married People
  • Parents
  • shochtim
  • bloggers
  • marathon runners
  • politicians
  • computer people
  • employees
  • bankers
  • lawyers
  • rabbis
  • doctors
  • prisoners
  • tech geeks
  • Facebook users
  • Twitter users
  • my family (correct, I do not even speak for them)
  • anybody else
I speak for myself, and nobody should think otherwise. If I happen to say something you agree with, consider it pure chance, or think that we are probably both wrong.

Perhaps I needed that email to remind me that I speak for myself, and myself alone.

But I have every right to voice my opinion.

The "Israelis" party (video)

Another crazy little party that will not pass the minimum threshold - this one is called "The Israelis". Basically they want to get into Knesset just to change the method of elections. As they say in the video, they just want to fire everybody in the Knesset.

Avidor Lieberman and Kach - Channel 10 report (video)

The Channel 10 news report about Avigdor Lieberman's connections to the now defunct Kach movement....

BBB TV (video)

Bibi Netanyahu's Message to the Nation about Kadima and Hamas (video)

Bibi Netanyahu's message from Ashkelon to the nation yesterday (the earlier video I posted was first announced as the Daily Message to the Nation, but now is being titled just as a Message from ashkelon, so they must have replaced it with this one...)

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