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May 13, 2018
no more frock in prison for Rav Metzger
The prison services has reportedly decided to no longer allow the Haredi prisoners in Maasiyahu Prison to have hats and jackets for use in the shul during davening. Rav Metzger personally was disallowed from wearing his frock and homburg in the Torah wing of the prison. Another Harredi prison, a businessman, complained through his family that he was disallowed from wearing a hat and jacket this past Shabbos during the services.
ShABAS - the prison services authority - responded saying that the rules do not allow prisoners to have hats and jackets in the prisons. Prisoners in the religious wings are allowed to have black pants and white button-down shirts..
source: Actualic
Let them feel like they are in prison, rather than in yeshiva. Make them all wear orange jumpsuits. This is not a halachic issue that they need these things, such as kosher food or time to daven, ability to observe Shabbos, or the like. I don't know why it was allowed until now and suddenly stopped, but it should never have been allowed in the first place.
Why should this fall under an allowance under the category of human dignity while other prisoners have to wear prison garb? If some people say their uniform is important for their dignity, every prisoner should be allowed to wear whatever clothing style he or she wants and prefers and there should be no prison uniform at all.
ShABAS - the prison services authority - responded saying that the rules do not allow prisoners to have hats and jackets in the prisons. Prisoners in the religious wings are allowed to have black pants and white button-down shirts..
source: Actualic
Let them feel like they are in prison, rather than in yeshiva. Make them all wear orange jumpsuits. This is not a halachic issue that they need these things, such as kosher food or time to daven, ability to observe Shabbos, or the like. I don't know why it was allowed until now and suddenly stopped, but it should never have been allowed in the first place.
Why should this fall under an allowance under the category of human dignity while other prisoners have to wear prison garb? If some people say their uniform is important for their dignity, every prisoner should be allowed to wear whatever clothing style he or she wants and prefers and there should be no prison uniform at all.
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I don't understand the allowance for white shirt and black pants in prison, however it makes sense for the prison authority to allow a hat and jacket for prisoners who are of the opinion that hat and jacket are required attire for Tfila.
ReplyDeleteRav Metzgar's Frock and Homburg may be different from a regular Fedora and short jacket, as AFAIK, I frock and Homburg is normally warn by a Rosh Yeshiva, City Rabbi, or other distinguished Rabbi, allowing Rav Metzgar to wear this may give the impression that even in Jail he still gets the trimmings of a chief Rabbi.
Even if one thinks they are required, one can certainly daven without them. Let their tefilot be b'de'avad in their eyes while they are being punished for violating the Torah. These aren't Bochurim jailed for avoiding the draft.
DeleteAvoiding the draft *is* violating the Torah, in a few ways.
DeleteI don't necessarily disagree, but it's certainly more debatable than fraud, theft, violence or abuse that most of the Charedim are in for.
DeleteJewish state??? In the Jewish state when a religious person is imprisoned, whether rabbi or layman, he is entitled to dress according to his tradition in traditional garb. Just a shanda what goes on! Even that there are matters such as these for discussion is shameless.
ReplyDeleteFrom which orifice did you pull that from?
DeleteI THINK you meant to write "shameful".
DeleteLet me get this right, you claim to have semicha, yet are ignorant of halacha that many achronim pasken that one should have a hat and jacket that is meyuchad for tefillah and bircas hamazon?!
ReplyDeleteStop worshiping the justice system as if everyone in Israeli prisons are guilty and deserve to be there. Every level-headed person that is familiar with the Israeli justice system (both religious and secular) is corrupt from the top - down. Don't play that law-abiding citizen Modox self-righteous folly. If they want to get you, they'll find something to get you, that's the only rule of law in Israel.
ETA: Meant to write "Every level-headed person that is familiar with the Israeli justice system KNOWS THAT THE ISRAELI JUSTICE SYSTEM (...."
DeleteIf that's your attitude, there's no hope for you. Just give up and move to Mumbai.
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