Showing posts with label shul. Show all posts
Showing posts with label shul. Show all posts

Aug 24, 2025

shuls in Tel Aviv under attack

UPDATE:
Minister Yariv Levin, acting Minister of Religious Affairs, confirmed this is not accurate. After looking into it it seems this was an initial draft with the clause being included in contracts for all government property but was removed from the contracts with shuls already a few months ago...

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Something weird and dangerous is going on in Tel Aviv, and I think it is going to backfire on them..

The City of Tel Aviv is renewing land leases for different organizations operating shuls on city property. These are shuls that never completed their registrations with the Land Registry. The new contracts that would allow the shuls to continue to operate include a clause never before included.

The clause stipulates that the synagogues must provide religious services to all neighborhood residents, regardless of age, gender, or belief.

The various shuls leadership/boards are concerned this would in essence prevent them from functioning as an Orthodox shul and would open them up to lawsuits of discrimination for having a mechitza and for nor offering Muslim prayers, and the like.

Some shuls have already refused to sign this new contract and have been given eviction orders.
source: Hamechadesh

Whatever they are trying to do, I suspect it is going to backfire and there will be a backlash against the city's efforts. If groups want to open Reform or Conservative shuls and have mixed seating or multi-denominational services, they should open those as they see fit, but I dont think forcing this on Orthodox shuls is going to work. 

In past years when they did not want to allow public prayer on the High Holidays in public areas due to gender discrimination, they justified it by saying there are plenty of shuls all around Tel Aviv offering traditional services. And now they are running a campaign to stop the shuls from offering those traditional services?



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Mar 30, 2022

guidelines for shuls with terror uptick

I dont see it on the website or Facebook page of the World Organization of Orthodox Communities and Synagogues but the religious news sites are reporting on a set of guidelines recommended by this organization for our shuls, considering the uptick in terror attacks.

We have been here before. This is not really anything new, but unfortunately the times call for it.

They recommend that anyone in any shul who has a permit to carry a firearm actually do so, both during the week and on Shabbos. Every minyan should have at least one participant carrying a gun.

Additionally, the gabbai of each shul should ensure that a fully stocked first aid kit is accessible. Community leaders should all be aware how to best contact emergency services and first responders and other relevant professionals, should it God forbid be necessary.

Accessibility to emergency exits should be ensured, and the congregation should be made aware of where they are.

The gabbai in each shul should make sure a cellphone is available in case of need, god forbid, even on Shabbos. Congregants should be informed where it is, so that should it be necessary to use, they will know how to access it.




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Jan 16, 2022

not in My house

There are no guarantees, either way, even in a house of worship. But.

But if you are a religious person, of any religion, who believes in prayer, it seems like a house of worship, of any type, would be a bad place for staging such a hostage incident and threatening to blow it up. If you believe in prayer, it seems a house of worship would be a place where all that is concentrated, making your terrorist work all that much difficult, with the odds stacked against you.

Thankfully the hostage incident in Congregation Bet Israel ended peacefully, and I consider the death of the terrorist as a peaceful ending, because nobody else was hurt in the process. Good work by the FBI and other security forces, with the backing of God saying not in My house, urged on by all the prayers on behalf of the hostages.






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Aug 17, 2021

shuls for the High Holidays

I am not familiar with this organization and I do not know how influential or impactful they are but The World Organization of Orthodox Communities and Synagogues has submitted a recommendation to community leaders and shul gabbaim for preparing for the upcoming High Holidays. 

The organization has recommended that the indoor area of the shul should be accessible only to people who have had the 3rd booster shot. Everyone else, including people fully vaccinated (2 doses), recovered and others, should daven in an outdoor area.

Additionally, masks should be worn properly during the entire services. the gabbaim should take care to ensure good airflow and social distancing. Set up a disinfecting station for people to clean their hands. No kissing the Torah or shaking hands. And some more technical matters such as starting early, ensuring proper lighting, etc.
sources: Kipa and Actualic

Are they an organization that shuls are members of and beholden to, such as the RCA or the United Synagogue or Federation of Synagogues, and other similar organizations? Is this just a nice suggestion and advance planning on their part but nobody has to listen to them? 


 



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Aug 2, 2021

different perspectives, different concerns, different priorities

Haredim10 brings the interesting words of the Satmar Rebbe from Kiryas Joel yesterday.

The Rebbe reportedly said that he is concerned regarding the resurgence of the CoronaVirus and the hospitals in the USA filling up again. The Rebbe asked the community to daven - to daven that there should not be another lockdown that would prevent the Jews from going to shul, both in the coming days and in the upcoming holidays of Tishrei.

Personally I would have said, or at least also added, to daven that people should not get sick, the community should be protected, should suffer few or no deaths, and the like.

I guess we have different priorities. Or maybe he assumes nobody from the community will get sick this time around because most already had the virus...




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Apr 22, 2021

Interesting Psak: Bring the Children to shul!

Technically right now in Israel shuls are open according to the Green Passport guidelines - only people vaccinated or recovered are allowed in. And in shuls numbers of people are limited, with the requirement of distancing and mask wearing.

I dont know any national numbers, but from what I see and what i have heard from other people, my impression is that in many/most Haredi shuls Corona is treated mostly as being behind us,  with children being allowed in, masks not enforced, etc. in National Religious shuls it seems to be keeping mostly with the rules of the Health Ministry, and because of that many are still having outdoor minyanim, because the children cannot go to shul.

A National Religious-affiliated shul representative posed a question to Rav Aryeh Stern, former Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, asking what to do with the children, if the rules of the Health Ministry should still be adhered to or if they should now be brought back to shul even against the rules.

Rav Stern replied saying that after seeing what is happening now in the streets of Jerusalem, we should immediately open the shuls to children under 16, and it is crucial.

It is unacceptable that all restrictions on children in schools have now been lifted, and they can also go to malls and restaurants with everyone together, both adults and children, but only in shuls children are still not allowed.

Now that it is no longer cold, the children should be in shul, and the windows should be left open with distancing and masks worn.
source: Kipa

A confidante of the rav is quoted in Kikar saying that while by the Haredim this has been the situation already for a while, it is unusual among the Dati Leumi for an official call to act against the rules of the State.




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Mar 8, 2021

the end of an era

The organizers of the outdoor minyan near my house sent out a note today about the minyan disbanding.

As people go back to their shuls, after being vaccinated or post-Corona, the minyan is finding it increasingly difficult to consistently get the daily minyan. 

This is officially the end of the Corona era. 

Or it might be. 

As long as we don't have any major outbreak in the near future. 

We are now entering the post-COVID19 era.

I have done my part to help the world move on, by vaccinating. Hopefully we will all be safe and healthy, in Israel and around the world, as we move forward in getting back to some semblance of normal, social, lives.

This is anecdotal and not a scientific study, but from what I hear about other outdoor minyanim also petering out, it seems the concern many had that people won't go back to shul after Corona and after taking a liking to the convenience and informality of outdoor minyanim was unfounded. It seems people are going back to their shuls.





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Jan 20, 2021

Lawsuit over a pot of leftover cholent

There was a court case in Northern Israel that was the result of a fight that broke out in shul over a pot of cholent.

According to the reporter on Twitter, the fight started over a pot of leftover cholent after Shabbos that the Gabbai threw in the garbage. For some reason, this led to fisticuffs and smashed eyeglasses and a broken cellphone, and approximately two years later ended in court with the judge writing an 18 page decision and concluding it with a song.

Sounds weird. It really does. And the details are sketchy.

According to Ynet, the judge decided that the incident had not been investigated properly and the evidence and testimony is clearly not accurate. The case seems to be the result of a fight in the shul between two "camps" - the newer members against the older members.

The judge left it with a no decision, but was highly critical of their behavior in shul and her dismay at the turning of a shul into a battleground when it is supposed to be a "mikdash me'at". She included a song or poem written by a legal academic about the situation of fights in shul as food for thought.




בית כְּנֶסֶת / דורון מנשה כֵּן, לִפְּעָמִים אֲנִי רוֹאֶה אֶת הַקּוֹלוֹת אֶת נְּשִימַת הַדּוּכָן וְּהַפָרֹכֶת וְּאוֹתִיּוֹת הַסֵּפֶר וְּתִינוֹקוֹת שֶל בֵּית רַבָן שֶלאֹ זָכוּ שֶתְּפִלָתָם תֻּלְּבַש כְּגוּף חַי וְּהֶבֶל פִיהֶם מִתְּנוֹצֵּץ בְּשַוְּעַת הַחַזָן כְּבִנְּשָמוֹת מְּהַדּר כְּמוֹסִיף עַל הַמִנְּיָן וּבֶחָלָל הַמָקוֹם מִלוֹת תוֹרָה פוֹרְּחוֹת בָאֲוִיר מַחְּכִימוֹת אֶת הָאַהֲבָה חוּץ וּפְּנִים וְּלא לִפְּעָמִים הַבַיִת נֶחְּתַךְ לִמְּחוֹזוֹת קַנָאִים וְּשִנַיִם מְּסַנְּנוֹת טֶרֶף מִתוֹךְ פְּסוּקֵּי דּזִמְּרָא אָז, אִיּוּמִי הַצֶדֶק מִתְּעַרְּבְּבִים בְּאִזְּמֵּלֵּי הָעָוֶל צֶבַע זָר נִדְּחַס בָאֲוִיר וּבְּנֵּי הַסַמְּכָא עוֹשִים יָד אַחַת, הַשָב מִתְּשוּבָה עִם הַחוֹזֵּר בְּשִטְּנָה עַד שֶהַמָקוֹם כְּמוֹ אוֹרֵּחַ מִזְּדַּמֵּן לאֹ מוֹצֵּא מְּנוּחָה וְּהַשְּכִינָה נִמְּלֶטֶת בַחֲשַאי מִדֶּלֶת צְּדָדִית לַבַל יִקְּרְּאוּ לִשְּמָהּ וּבִשְּמָהּ, לִפְּשֹט אֶת עוֹרָם הַחַי שֶל צַלְּמִי אֱלֹקִים וּלְּכַסוֹת בָהֶם טַלִיתוֹת וְּסִדּוּרִי תְּפִלוֹת גְּלִילָה אַחַר גְּלִילָה, סִלוּף אַחֵּר סִלוּף מַכָה עַל חַבוּרָה וְּהִיא חוֹרֶטֶת בְּלִבָה כֹל אֲשֶר קָרָה, אֵּיךְ שֶכִמְּעַט נִשְּאֲבָה לִתְּהוֹם טֶרֶם בְּרִיאָתָהּ


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Oct 1, 2020

Haredi leaders on adherence to the lockdown regulations

PM Netanyahu and the Health Ministry have been putting a  lot of effort to try to get the Haredi community on board with the lockdown regulations. They have been meeting or calling different rabbonim and community leaders to explain the urgency of the matter and to ask for their voice in calling on people to adhere to the regulations.

Some of those efforts have borne fruit, while others less so.

To start, it is worth pointing out that according to the regulations, all shuls must be closed (Yom Kippur was a built-in exception) and all services must be held outdoors (still with limitations on numbers of participants).

We already saw that some of the chassidic groups are openly flaunting the rules. That is their approach. I guess we'll see if the government is willing to come down hard on them to force them to play along and if they are willing to pay the price for not following the regulations, but that is their approach.

The Sephardic Council of Sages issued a directive the other day ordering all minyanim to be held outdoors and the shuls closed and no minyanim indoors anywhere, along with adherence to the other regulations (distancing, masks, etc).

On the Litvishe end of things, Rav Chaim Kanievsky and Rav Gershon Edelstein released a letter last night with their directives on the matter.



The Litvishe gedolim have put out the call for shul gabbais as much as possible to prepare outdoor areas in the shul courtyards so people can daven outside. In addition to that they instructed people to follow the rules of no hosting or being guests in other people's sukkas, wearing masks around other people, etc

They called on outdoor minyanim as much as possible, which falls short of ordering the shuls closed.

Don't forget, by law all shuls must be closed, at risk of heavy fines and even possibly criminal charges.

Mostly I would say this is pretty much a failed effort by the Prime Minister and the Health Ministry. Leaders of two of the three streams of Haredi society refused to instruct the people to close the shuls, though two of the three did call for following all the other rules, so that's a plus. Last night it seems the Health Ministry decided that enforcement would be strict, so forewarned is forearmed.






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Sep 24, 2020

Government allocates funds for helping minyanim to stay cool


Before Rosh Hashana the news reported that Minister Deri was arranging assistance on the municipal level to prepare all public buildings such as schools and community centers to be used for minyanim so many of the outdoor minyanim would be able to be indoors with air conditioning. 

Personally I have not heard of a single outdoor minyan that was allocated space in a classroom with an air conditioner or provided shade and air conditioning from the government. Maybe it happened, but I know a lot of people who davened in outdoor minyanim and I haven't heard of a single one that was moved indoors into a public building at the expense of the government (or even out of their own pockets, for that matter).

And now the news is reporting that Ministers Katz and Deri have agreed to allocate 25million NIS immediately to local government to prepare shade, chairs, lighting, fans and coolers in outdoor areas to be made available to minyanim. This will help, and also possibly encourage, people to daven outdoors. This would also be used not just for Yom Kippur but for the entire duration of the lockdown.

I want to know who gets this. Where is this money going and which minyanim are being helped in this way? How does a minyan apply for a piece of this pie? Which local minyanim will be granted the shade and fans from the government? Is this all a scam for a bit of public relations, as if they are trying to help or do some people actually benefit from this? Where can I see this government aid in action?


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Sep 23, 2020

what will be with the shuls? (video)








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Sep 22, 2020

haggling over the price: Churchil vs Deri

The famous story is told about Winston Churchill (though some sources claim it happened with various other people) at a dinner party:
At a dinner party Churchill says to his dinner companion, "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?" 
 The woman responds, "My goodness, Mr. Churchill. I suppose I would." 
 Churchill replies, "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?" 
 She answers, "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?" 
 Churchill answers, "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price."

According to the news reports this evening coming out of the Corona Cabinet meeting debating tightening the restrictions, including the possibility of shutting the shuls before Yom Kippur and closing the sukkos 4 minim markets, Minister Aryeh Deri has been fighting valiantly for the shuls. However, the caveat is, Deri said he is willing to sign off on closing the shuls, as long as the hafganot are not allowed to continue in the same format as they have been allowed to operate until now. They need to be shut down, temporarily, as well, and then Deri will allow the shuls to be closed. 

There is logic to this, obviously, but it reminded me of the Churchill story above. Deri is willing to shut the shuls, and even to sign the order himself to do so, as he said he would, now they are just haggling over the price.





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Jul 21, 2020

Restaurants, Minyanim and Money

There are currently two new big fights going on in the government between the Haredi parties/public and Netanyahu (and his government).

1. One fight is regarding the decision to allow restaurants to open with a maximum of 50 people dining, while at the same time limiting minyanim outdoors to 20 (and indoors to 10). The restaurant situation is actually a fight within the government itself even without the Haredi reps - the government wants to shut it all down, and the Corona Committee wants to allow them to remain open as the government has not shown any significant level of danger by allowing them to remain open (with strict guidelines). Assuming that fight will get resolved by leaving them open, the Haredim are upset that restaurants are left open for 50 diners and minyanim with only 20/10.

The big difference, in my opinion, is that people go to minyan 3 times a day. Aditionally, there is some amount of socializing at minyan. On the way in and out, and honestly sometimes during services as well, people talk to each other, say hello to friends, etc. The restaurant - any given person goes to a restaurant maybe once a month or once every couple of weeks. if someone goes once a week that is considered eating out a lot. Also, there is almost no socializing done at restaurants besides for socializing with the person you went with - your spouse, kids, other half of your business meeting, whatever, but you are not socializing with other people just sitting in the restaurant at their own tables. In the shul everyone is doing an activity together, and in the restaurant everyone is doing their own thing.
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2. The second fight is over the "stimulus" money being talked about. Netanyahu announced the plan to give out money to everyone, and parents would get money up to, and including, the 3rd child under 18. At first it became a fight about only giving to those in need and not to everyone, not to the wealthy, not to those still working, not to those earning over a certain income... now the fight is why stop at 3 children and why not give for all children under 18? Stopping at 3 is discrimination against Haredim who have many more children on average. Do those children not deserve the money for food and things?

I agree with this. The plan is to give the money to every single person, whether they need it or not. Every person should get it, except the fourth child in a family? Every person except the fifth or eighth child? Why does child #4 or #8 deserve it any less than anyone else? If you come up with a great plan (and it is fair to debate whether the plan is actually good or not) to hand out money to everyone, give it to everyone.


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Jun 11, 2020

Facebook Status of the Day

I don't know if the suggestion below is right or wrong, more on point or less than any other suggestions (including the one referenced). That is way above my pay-grade. My point in bringing this here is to point out that there are always other ways to look at these things. People who insist on knowing the cause of events like this generally have an agenda they are pushing and are blind to any other options.





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May 3, 2020

open the shuls

If the State is opening schools, even at a rolled out slow pace, I do not see why they should not also allow shuls to open.

Obviously, anyone in a high risk group, due to being immuno-compromised or over a specific age, should be advised not to go. Anybody who is more concerned should not go. It should only be allowed, at first with maximum numbers of 20 or whatever, with distancing, open windows, disinfectant, and all other necessary requirements

But it should be allowed.

if the State is saying we think it is safe to have studies indoors, there is no logical reason to not also rollout the allowances for services in shuls, within guidelines.

Whether or not this is a good idea at all remains to be seen. I guess within two to three weeks from when the schools actually open, but there is no reason to test one and not the other.


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no talking in shul

According to reports, the German government is allowing shuls to reopen, along with churches and mosques, under certain conditions.

Basically the rules for shuls will be social distancing and no socializing.
The rules include:
 - requiring the synagogue administration to disinfect all siddurim and chumashim before and after services.
 - each congregant keep a distance of at least 2m from others. Only family members can sit together
 - face masks must be worn. Only the rabbi and the cantor can go without, and only while they are on the bima alone
 - no handshakes, hugging or kissing
 - no kissing the Torah and mezuzas, and no carrying the Torah around the shul amongst the congregants
 - congregants called up to the Torah should stand away from the bima
 - people should preferably register with their shul to attend services there
 - no singing during services
 - prayer times should be kept as short as possible
 - for now only large shuls can be used, where social distancing can be kept. small shul structures that might be more crowded and harder to allow the necessary distancing cannot be used.

It looks like the Germans also don't like the shleppy long drasha or the drawn out chazzanus....

I am not sure what is wrong with singing during the services. Perhaps they think it will lead to dancing. And maybe even mixed dancing (especially in a non-Orthodox synagogue).

So the Germans are opening the shuls but not allowing the Jews praying inside to socialize. That means no talking in shul.

Presumably, anything the Germans want Jews to do, we are supposed to do the opposite, right? So we should talk in shul, when we get to go back, right?




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Mar 29, 2020

Interesting Psak: daven at home

The city of Bnei Braq has been hit by the CoronaVirus particularly hard and the Haredi community there, and elsewhere, is reeling from it. It is not just from events like the funeral yesterday of a Peleg-associated rabbi that has hundreds in attendance not keeping any of the social distancing rules, but the minyanim and mikvas and general population density of Bnei Braq makes it troublesome. I don't know what reports are exaggerated and what is real, but they are talking about many people there having caught the virus and it spreading like wildfire. Only now are the community leaders there finally taking notice and changing their tune as far as behavioral instructions.

To that end, Rav Chaim Kanievsky just issued a psak a short while ago that they hope will be more effective in making people stop and take notice.

Rav Kanievsky paskened, currently specifically for Bnei Braq and not in general, that people should daven alone at home and not in any shul. People should NOT make private minyanim. It is pikuach nefesh.

Rav Chaim Kanievsky adds that anyone not davening at home but in a minyan has the status of a rodef and if you are aware of such a minyan or person you must report him to the authorities, even with the knowledge that this might lead to him being arrested or slapped with a large fine. If you are aware of someone who is meant to be in quarantine but is not following the quarantine rules, you are allowed to shame him publicly over this.

Rav Kanievsky also added that this is not just for davening, but people should also learn Torah at home and not in shuls, even alone in shuls and batei medrash.
source: Behadrei, Kikar, among others

Many people find interesting and creative ways around this in other cities in which this has already been in practice, such as balcony or porch minyanim with people each on their own porch davening together with someone central they can all hear leading the services. It is cute, but the rabbonim did not say to find a way around it. They said daven at home. As innovative as such solutions might be, and seemingly safe, they create an atmosphere of looking for ways around the rules, and even if this or that person is careful to do it while following the guidelines strictly, maybe other people will take example without being as careful. Additionally, I myself have seen such minyanim that seem to be ok, but then other people join in below in the center in the parking lot between the buildings and porches, and invariably those people often are not keeping the guidelines carefully. Stop trying to outwit the system. Just daven at home, as the rabbonim say to. Right now be machmir on pikuach nefesh.


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Mar 12, 2020

Shul in the CoronaVirus era

New Ministry of Health guidelines are now limiting shuls, with the instructions of the Chief Rabbinate.

Among the new guidelines, shuls should have minyanim with more than 100 people.
If the shul has more than 100 people, they should break off into multiple minyanim in separate rooms or at different times.
The shul should be aired out and ventilated well at all times
The gabbaim of the shul should ensure proper hygiene and cleanliness kept all around the shul, and have disinfectant available
People mean to be in quarantine should NOT come to shul but should daven at home

for now schools and yeshivas should continue as normal and have not [yet] been instructed to close or decrease activity.

Weddings and simchas can continue as scheduled, but with a small number of guests (100 max)

Visiting the sick is an important mitzva but in the current situation with this highly contagious virus it should not be done. People should look for other ways to help those who are sick or in quarantine.

Regarding bris mila, as much as they have to be careful of these things all year round, the Rabbanut has said that the mohel should be extra careful now to ensure use of sterilized equipment, washing hands with a brush and soap, rinsing out his mouth with Listerine shortly before the bris itself. A mohel obligated in quarantine must follow the rules and not perform the bris - an alternate mohel should be found.






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Feb 4, 2020

Chicago leads the way with guns in shuls..


According to INN Chicago is at the forefront of shul members being prepared to protect the shul and its congregants form anti-semitic attacks against these institutions.

An organization has been founded, called "CCL Shul members" made up of a membership of Jewish shul goers who have all applied for and been granted concealed carry licences.

The organization offers courses in advanced frearms training and forms of situation specific training. They work to ensure its members are keeping on top of training how to respond in the worst situations, which we all hope never happen, and keep their skills sharp and are aware of the latest innovations and tactics.

After a few attacks and the discussion became heated about Jews carrying guns in shul, many were nervous that it would lead to a gun culture, but even worse that we would have many under-trained people carrying guns responding in highly tense situations and putting even more people at risk. An organization like this can be a real solution in ensuring proper training and abilities.





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Jan 9, 2020

Interesting Psak: Guns in Shul

There are a number of issues that must be dealt with when considering the question of people bringing guns to shul for security. The problem is current, with the rise in anti-semitic attacks in shuls around the United States of America.

Among those issues are:

  •   Pikuach Nefesh
  •   Muktze, on Shabbos
  •   carrying where there is no eruv, on shabbos
  •   women carrying guns
  •   bringing a weapon, an instrument of death, into shul, a place of prayer

There might be other issues as well, but these are the halachic issues that come to mind off the top of my head. I am obviously not going to write a halachic treatise about this, but from the shiurim and discussions I have heard on the matter, each issue mentioned above is hotly debated among the different halachic authorities.

A rabbi from Monsey went to Rav Chaim Kanievsky to ask whether the shul should place a guard with a gun outside the shul due to the danger.

When Rav Chaim refused to answer, saying they can do what they want, the fellow pressed on, through Rav Kanievsky's assistant/grandson/chavrusa/translator, insisting on receiving a real answer because the people want to do what Rav Chaim says is right. Rav Kanievsky concludes that a guard is not necessary and they do not need to hire a guard.

He then continued, asking if people coming to shul to daven can bring guns with them. Rav Kanievsky's response of pikuach nefesh was rejected explaining there is no immediate danger, there is no attacker in front of us, it is just a concern of a situation that might possibly arise. To that Rav Kanievsky answered that they can bring guns to shul.




Some people are very anti-gun, or at least opposed to the proposal that more people in the frum Jewish community should be applying for gun permits and be available for protection. Some people think this is a recipe for disaster and you'll have a bunch of hotheads all around town, in every shul and every supermarket who are not trained properly and will start shooting at every thing or person that looks suspicious. And with their under-trained eye and shooting skills, they will not just respond improperly and inappropriately but will also put bystanders at risk.

I am not really pro or anti guns. Carrying a gun does not interest me, but I am fine with other people carrying guns. Obviously anyone discussing the matter and supporting, or promoting, an increase of frum men and women applying for gun licences will also want those people to train in proper firearms use, and also in how to respond to terror and other attacks. Nobody wants a bunch of untrained people running around with guns that they treat like toys.

The "psak" above has been heavily criticized by people as being irresponsible and uninformed. I don't know what he meant beyond what he said, which was very little, but I highly doubt Rav Chaim Kanievsky wants a bunch of untrained people getting guns and shooting them at every new person who walks into shul because of a perceived threat. I am confident Rav Kanievsky was referring to people who have guns and are trained in their usage, or people who will get such training. It is not uncommon in Israel to see people in shul carrying guns, even if in Bnei Braq it might be a little less common. Rav Chaim's default and assumption is likely the assumption that people licenced to carry a gun are trained and required to go though rigorous training and oversight.







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