Showing posts with label kannoim. Show all posts
Showing posts with label kannoim. Show all posts
Oct 18, 2023
treason?
The following item was published in one of the local Bet Shemesh whatsapp news groups I am in.
(video taken from Meitav Chadashot news group)
What you are looking at above is a couple of kitzonim, the extremist thugs, in Bet Shemesh being picked up by a security camera stealing tzitzis that had been tied for Israeli soldiers on the front.
If anyone were to file a complaint with the police it should not be hard to find them. The police know who the extremists in Bet Shemesh are. They deal with them regularly and it isnt a massive community.
I would not be disappointed if the jerks were arrested and tried for treason as supporters of Hamas, who are now considered equal to ISIS and the Nazis.
The other option is that this is a minor crime and just let it go, ignore it.
However, this action doesn't stand in a vacuum and is just another incident in a long list of years of anti-Israel violence. So, while it won't happen, I would be fine if it did.
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Apr 20, 2023
free cholent in RBS D!
Kikar is reporting on an interesting battle taking place right now in RBS D, a similar battle to one that has taken place in many cities and neighborhoods with mixed populations - basically a power struggle for controlling the tone of the neighborhood or city.
There is a bakery in RBS D, a branch of the Chalat Habayit chain (great bakery, by the way) on the main strip called HaAmoraim Blvd (Sderot Haamoraim). Besides for selling bread, pitas, rogelach, burekas, and the like, Chalat Habayit, like most similar bakeries also sells coffee, sandwiches and some other light food options. They are certified as kosher by the hechsher of Rav Rubin, a well respected hechsher in the Haredi community.
It seems the llocal extremists who make a lot of trouble around Bet Shemesh have taken a dislike to the fact that Chalat Habayit put out a few small tables for people to sit and drink their coffee or eat a danish. They claim this will destroy their neighborhood and turn the street into a midrachov, something akin to Ben Yehuda in Jerusalem.
Sderat HaAmoraim is a long street of apartment buildings with shops of all types all along the street at the street level of the buildings. Anyone going to that area to shop, or anyone local needing to do their shopping, is going to the various stores on that street, in addition to health clinics and banks.
The fights with the extremists (who may or may not even live in that neighborhood) have gone on for the past year fairly regularly over different issues. It seems to be back now, with a step up, and neither side seems to be willing to back down.
I will note, so the readers who might nto be familiar with it, RBS D is an entirely Haredi neighborhood, but regular Haredi norms are not good enough for the extremists. This isnt about Haredim fighting the secular who might drive on Shabbos or anything like that. This is extremists fighting the residents of a Haredi, yeshivish and hassidish, neighborhood.
So, it seems the extremists have pressured the Rubin hechsher to force the owner of the bakery to remove the tables or else lose its hechsher. How they influenced the Rubin hechsher is a curiosity because they dont eat Rubin anyway (the communities of extremists only eat Eida), so they couldnt exactly threaten them with a ban, but they somehow did and Rubin let the bakery know to remove the tables or lose the hechsher. This is not general Rubin policy, as many other restaurants elsewhere with Rubin have tables, including other branches of this bakery, so making this threat was specifically for this location because of the pressure of the thugs.
Residents will be holding a protest, of sorts, outside the bakery this evening against the thugs. At around 8pm, an anonymous donor who has sponsored several pots of cholent will have bowls of cholent distributed to protestors. They say that this is to mimic so to speak the judicial reform protest in Bnei Braq in which food was distributed because the thugs like the reform protesters dont really want solutions, just control. Even after the tables were taken in the thugs continue to make trouble.
They complain that the municipality and the police do not do anything to solve this. Truth is, they rarely ever have. Unless police get attacked by the thugs, the police generally leave them alone and are happy to just keep them contained, letting the locals be victims.
Basically, free cholent in BS D tonight!
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May 25, 2022
requesting prison
Remember the "pay for protest" program that went live for Lag B'Omer, in which the thugs who were looking to fight with the police and thwart the official Lag B'Omer arrangement with a price list for forms of protest including getting beaten by police, getting arrested, etc?
It was actually effective (among the group of people who do these things anyway - not sure if anyone else thought about intentionally getting beaten by the police to earn a hundred dollars).
Well, sort of.
The day before Lag B'Omer required the police to clear everyone off Mt Meron so the entire area could be cleaned and barriers placed appropriately in advance of the big event. Obviously some people refused to follow police orders and hunkered down instead of leaving. Some people were arrested/detained, including a "young avreich". This fellow sat in the prison (in Tzalmon Prison, because Tiberias prison was already full) for 2 days before being taken before a judge. The judge issued an order that this fellow cant be in the area of Meron for 30 days, and additionally would be subject to full house arrest for 5 days.
Upon receiving the verdict this fellow requested that the 5 days house arrest be changed to 5 days of full arrest in actual prison. Strange request but this avreich explained that 5 days of arrest would give him $500 from the group paying $100 per day for being arrested. He explained that he doesnt earn a decent living and this would be significant for him and his family.
The judge actually supported him without sending him to prison. She said that he should submit his claim even without going to prison because house arrest is considered legally fully as a regular arrest - they give house arrest when there is no concern of escape or danger, but it is fully considered as having been arrested. Because of that she did not send him to prison but kept it as house arrest.
source: Hamechadesh
I would like to hear the end of the story - did he get paid or not? I am not even sure the house arrest might be the deciding factor, as it might be included as a good excuse to not pay, but he was arrested before Lag B'Omer, not while fighting the police at the event itself. I would like to know if they paid up or if he was just a patsy.
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May 17, 2022
pay for protest Meron price list
this sign is crazy...
Not exactly "pay for slay" but not that far off....
The sign is really a posting of a price list of sorts for fighting with the police in Meorn on Lag B'Omer.
Whoever is behind this says that they have achieved funding for people who will be harmed by the police, according to the following price list:
If you get arrested, up to 1 day: $200
if you get hit by the police (better with it being documented): $100
if you get a fine: double whatever the fine is
Qualified participants should leave a message on the various system lines (I guess the relevant people know them, as they aren't included in the sign)
Accompanying the lower picture of a police bus to hold detainees, they write that even 50 of these won't be enough.
Looks like it will be leibedige on Lag B'Omer, though I really think their bark is worse than their bite... there probably wont be too many of these whackos...
It isnt a bad price list for people who dont have any other regular income... I do wonder if they get $100 for every time a policeman hits them, for each klop on the head, or is it $100 overall for being hit but not for each punch or slap?
I wonder how much money they were able to raise for this incentive program - they could not even afford to print a real sign but printed it on a home printer using A4 paper....
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Jul 14, 2021
defacing the Meron victims memorial
this is insane.. extremists vandalized the memorial wall in Meron, tearing down and defacing the posters of the images of the 45 victims of the Leg B'Omer tragedy.
זה שהם עטופים בטליתות לא הופך אותם לצדיקים, הגיע הזמן להעיף את הקיצוניים שמטילים אימה בשכונות החרדיות מחיינו, חלאות ונבלות שמבזים ורומסים את הדת פעם אחר פעם, הבוקר זה קרה במירון, תיעוד קשה לצפייה של קיצוניים קורעים את קיר ההנצחה לזכר הקדושים שנהרגו, דרך ארץ קדמה לתורה, בושה. pic.twitter.com/CZhrggjdjl
— אריאל אלחרר (@ariel_elharar_) July 14, 2021
I am not quite sure what they are being extremists about and what they don't like about this. There are not even any pictures of women included (because there were no female victims)!
I am not sure what their problem is and what this is all about, but I hope the authorities figure out who they are and put an end to this type of behavior
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Apr 22, 2021
dressed up as a woman to avoid arrest
Sometimes arrests are funny.
The police have been conducting raids in Mea Shearim recently in order to arrest troublemakers who have been violent in recent protests against the expansion of the light rail line.
One of the arrests made the other day was of a young man, a boy.
This person arrested - I dont know how old he is but in his pictures that I saw he looks pretty young - saw the police coming and ran to hide and conceal himself. He did so by putting on a dress and tichel.
Besides for that he lied several times about his name, giving the police different names at different times. In the video of him being led away he is laughing and joking. He looks like a kid who makes trouble and just has a good time doing it. The kind of kid who is just looking for some action.
Funny that he went to hide and threw on a dress and tichel. Funny that he didn't have a problem with the issur of "lo tilbash" - wearing women's clothing. Such a frum guy, labeled a religious zealot and extremist, protesting the light rail that might cause their neighborhood to change somewhat, but no problem with an actual halachic issue.
Still, a humorous, and ironic, incident.
I do wonder if the frum publication will post his picture in their newspapers. On the one hand he was dressed up like a woman and they do not publish pictures of women. On the other hand, he is not a woman but a man, and publishing his picture should be ok. I wonder which way they would decide such a situation.
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Mar 3, 2021
rotten fish, rotten extremists
Funny story. A Turkish media team parked their car in Mea Shearim to do some filming. The team members got out of the car to check out the area, and while they were out a local kannoi/extremist thug spotted the car with professional cameras inside. Assuming it was an Israeli news channel present for some local filming, he smashed the windows of the car with a rock and tossed in some rotten fish.
A short while later the Turks returned and to their horror discovered what had happened to their car. Local residents realized what happened and apologized for the mix up, explaingint hey thought it was of an Israeli team.
source: Kikar (with video)
Funny and sad story. It is ok to destroy the Israeli car but not the Turkish car. We ain't got no beef with the Turks! Maybe Israeli media teams going to film in such areas should dress up their cars with Turkish or foreign license plates or banners or other paraphernalia to make it look foreign.
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Feb 12, 2020
Tweet of the Day
אלף פעמים הסביר ראש העיר לשעבר ח"כ משה אבוטבול לביהמ"ש שאין סיכוי שהשלטים יוסרו מהעיר אתמול שוב המחזה המביש של רה"ע עליזה בלוך והמשטרה מנסים להסיר שלטים וברוח מכת הצפרדעים הקיצונים רק הרחיבו והוסיפו עוד ועוד שלטים חדשים.— איתי גדסי (@itayg1) February 12, 2020
מי מוכן להסביר לשופט חנן מלצר שאיים במאסר שמשה אבוטבול צדק? pic.twitter.com/7sOUvbTAsG
Itai Gadasi tweeted:
Former Mayor of Bet Shemesh MK Moshe Abutbol tried to explain to the courts a thousand times that there is no chance the signs can be removed from the city. Yesterday we once again we saw the shameful sight of Mayor Aliza Bloch and the police trying to remove the signs, and in the spirit of the plague of frogs the extremists expanded the number of signs more and more.
Who can explain to Justice Hanan Meltzer who threatened Abutbol with jail time that Abutbol was right?
Who can explain to Justice Hanan Meltzer who threatened Abutbol with jail time that Abutbol was right?
It is a problem. They need to come up with a creative solution. Bloch even tried to compromise and had a sign put up that asked people to be sensitive to the neighborhood norms (without saying anything about modesty or women) but the extremists took it down and put their own back up, with many more all over and increased graffiti, even graffiti that was very nasty and inappropriate.
Provoke them and it gets worse. Gadassi, and Abutbol, has a point. But do we allow all criminals to just keep doing what they are doing because if we try to stop them they will increase their criminal activity in return? They need to find solutions. That's why they get paid the big bucks. I don't think leaving them be is a solution. Maybe if they lived in a secluded corner of town with nobody necessarily going through their neighborhood. But they live on a main artery from RBS to BS, and that makes this more problematic.
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Jan 13, 2020
Court gives further extension to City of Bet Shemesh for "tzniyus" sign removal
Actualic is reporting that the courts have given the City of Bet Shemesh another extension, this one for an additional 9 months, of the deadline for removal of the illegal "tzniyus" signs hanging in parts of RBS B.
The previous deadline had been 50 days from what happened to be the last elections of Bet Shemesh. After Dr Bloch won the elections and became mayor, she reasonably requested an extension to learn the matter and try to work her magic. Back in the day of the previous administration, the mayor had been warned by the courts that his inaction would earn him hefty fines along with possibly even jail time.
Now the City appealed the end of the deadline with a request for another extension, claiming that work is being done to resolve the matter and remove the signs peacefully and with full cooperation and dialogue among all parties. The appeal pointed to a number of details required by the court that have already been implemented (probably installation of security cameras, among other points). The court granted the extension, and the new deadline is set at September 30, 2020.
MK Moshe Abutbol (Shas), also the former mayor under whose watch this issue began, blessed the court decision for the extension thereby recognizing the complexity of the city of Bet Shemesh, Abutbol laments the fact that the courts did not show such consideration in his days, even threatening to put him in jail. Abutbol suggests that such unfair and unequal decisions are causing the people to lose faith in the justice system.
I don't know what Abutbol is complaining about. he too was granted extensions when he requested them, but Abutbol made no serious effort to resolve the matter - he did not even install the security cameras he had promised to install in the area. Bloch did it with nary a peep from the locals in that hotbed neighborhood of extremism.
The previous deadline had been 50 days from what happened to be the last elections of Bet Shemesh. After Dr Bloch won the elections and became mayor, she reasonably requested an extension to learn the matter and try to work her magic. Back in the day of the previous administration, the mayor had been warned by the courts that his inaction would earn him hefty fines along with possibly even jail time.
Now the City appealed the end of the deadline with a request for another extension, claiming that work is being done to resolve the matter and remove the signs peacefully and with full cooperation and dialogue among all parties. The appeal pointed to a number of details required by the court that have already been implemented (probably installation of security cameras, among other points). The court granted the extension, and the new deadline is set at September 30, 2020.
MK Moshe Abutbol (Shas), also the former mayor under whose watch this issue began, blessed the court decision for the extension thereby recognizing the complexity of the city of Bet Shemesh, Abutbol laments the fact that the courts did not show such consideration in his days, even threatening to put him in jail. Abutbol suggests that such unfair and unequal decisions are causing the people to lose faith in the justice system.
I don't know what Abutbol is complaining about. he too was granted extensions when he requested them, but Abutbol made no serious effort to resolve the matter - he did not even install the security cameras he had promised to install in the area. Bloch did it with nary a peep from the locals in that hotbed neighborhood of extremism.
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Jan 9, 2020
Court sentences boy with torah study for throwing things at cars
About two and a half years ago, on Yom Haatzmaut of 2017, a 13 year old boy (man?) threw things at cars that had Israeli flags flying. He was involved in the usual rally/protest by the extremists, in Bet Shemesh, and was arrested when the police came in. he was charge dwith throwing things at a bus and at another car with a flag on it.
The wheels of justice turn slowly, but turn they do. Behadrei is reporting that the juvenile court finally handed down its sentence.
The State wanted to have him punished with a harsh sentence, claiming that the infraction is so serious due to the danger involved that it could get up to 2 years in prison.The State wanted him punished with 200 hours of community service, along with a commitment to not do such crimes again.
It should be noted that the accused admitted to his actions, but skipped out on a number of hearings, failing to appear in court.
The defense attorney claimed that he comes form a closed community and has no cellphone, which made it difficult at times to locate him and inform him of upcoming hearings.
The interesting part is the following. An askan of the Eida Hachareidis, Rav Shimon Shisha, testified on his behalf saying that since the arrest, the young man has strengthened in his torah learning, studies mussar, all in addition to his regular learning schedule in yeshiva. He pleaded with the judge to take this into consideration, along with the fact that this young man hardly ever leaves the yeshiva now, and pleaded for a lighter sentence.
The judge accepted that the young man had accepted upon himself additional learning commitments to atone for his actions, but that he also must pay something back to the community for it was the community he harmed. He sentenced the young man to 100 additional hours of learning Torah, separate form the regular learning schedule. These 100 hours will have to be spent learning with students n the yeshiva who need help.
Interesting court decision. I hope that at least the experience he has gone through the past couple of years will have been enough to impress upon him the severity of his actions, as the punishment alone probably won't.
The wheels of justice turn slowly, but turn they do. Behadrei is reporting that the juvenile court finally handed down its sentence.
The State wanted to have him punished with a harsh sentence, claiming that the infraction is so serious due to the danger involved that it could get up to 2 years in prison.The State wanted him punished with 200 hours of community service, along with a commitment to not do such crimes again.
It should be noted that the accused admitted to his actions, but skipped out on a number of hearings, failing to appear in court.
The defense attorney claimed that he comes form a closed community and has no cellphone, which made it difficult at times to locate him and inform him of upcoming hearings.
The interesting part is the following. An askan of the Eida Hachareidis, Rav Shimon Shisha, testified on his behalf saying that since the arrest, the young man has strengthened in his torah learning, studies mussar, all in addition to his regular learning schedule in yeshiva. He pleaded with the judge to take this into consideration, along with the fact that this young man hardly ever leaves the yeshiva now, and pleaded for a lighter sentence.
The judge accepted that the young man had accepted upon himself additional learning commitments to atone for his actions, but that he also must pay something back to the community for it was the community he harmed. He sentenced the young man to 100 additional hours of learning Torah, separate form the regular learning schedule. These 100 hours will have to be spent learning with students n the yeshiva who need help.
Interesting court decision. I hope that at least the experience he has gone through the past couple of years will have been enough to impress upon him the severity of his actions, as the punishment alone probably won't.
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Jul 30, 2019
Guy in RBS C digs in his yard and ends up with extremists protesting in his house
This afternoon a group of people, kannoim - extremists - went to RBS C2 (gimmel 2) to hold a protest on the property of someone who was digging out in his yard for the purpose of adding ona room to his home.
The reason for the protest, as reported by Kikar, is that they claim there is a very high probability of burial caves being present beneath the property, making expansion impossible without desecrating the graves. They also claim the kablan built around that problematic section and marked it off in the zoning as not being usable due to high probability of graves.
They went on to his property to protest, police were called in and put a stop on the entire thing.
Yes or no, I have no idea. Are there graves or not? No idea. Should he be able to dig and build (and presumably stop if he finds graves), I have no idea, nor do I care. I just want to know how the heck these kannoim found out about it! Every time someone takes a shovel to some dirt something beeps in the main office of the kannoim? I would guess a neighbor upset with the expansion plans, probably unauthorized and without taking the neighboring apartments into any consideration, reported it, but generally they report things like this to the Iryah, not to the thugs.
The reason for the protest, as reported by Kikar, is that they claim there is a very high probability of burial caves being present beneath the property, making expansion impossible without desecrating the graves. They also claim the kablan built around that problematic section and marked it off in the zoning as not being usable due to high probability of graves.
They went on to his property to protest, police were called in and put a stop on the entire thing.
Yes or no, I have no idea. Are there graves or not? No idea. Should he be able to dig and build (and presumably stop if he finds graves), I have no idea, nor do I care. I just want to know how the heck these kannoim found out about it! Every time someone takes a shovel to some dirt something beeps in the main office of the kannoim? I would guess a neighbor upset with the expansion plans, probably unauthorized and without taking the neighboring apartments into any consideration, reported it, but generally they report things like this to the Iryah, not to the thugs.
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Jul 10, 2019
the honeymoon in Bet Shemesh might be over
It looks like the honeymoon in Bet Shemesh is over.
Since the new mayor, Dr. Aliza Bloch, took over, the city has been relatively quiet. People are happy wit hte progress on many fronts, including general cleanliness, roads, schools, cultural, and whatever other things are going on. The mayor talks regularly about peaceful approaches to communities with dialogue rather than approaching issues form a place on conflict and competition... Even the number, and severity, of hafganot has significantly dropped and the city has been relatively quiet for the past 8-9 months or so.
That might all change at this point. The local news has recently been reporting on a number of issues that have caused rumblings, such as the population diversity expected between RBS Daled and Hei, such as some budgeting issues, etc. though nothing has really caused the problems that were supposedly expected to result from those rumblings. But now, with Bloch having removed a caravan used as a shul placed on public ground without permission, it looks like that explosion is on the way.
According to Kikar, the extremists are now waging threats to restart their fights throughout the city of Bet Shemesh as a result of what she did. According to activists from the extremist community, if this is the "order" Bloch has come to do and to overturn our neighborhoods, and destroy our shuls, she can continue doing so and we will put down the order throughout the city as we know how to do.
Threats were explicitly waged that if she continues to fight them in their neighborhood, they will go out and cause a big mess in the secular neighborhoods of the city.

So, it looks like the honeymoon is over.
It will be interesting to see how Bloch approaches this issue from here on out. Until now she has not really worked (at least not publicly) on the issues of their illegal activities such as graffiti and signs and illegal shuls and buildings and has only tried to help them, like all the other neighborhoods, with improving cleanliness, garbage collection, infrastructure improvements, etc. Now that she is taking up the main issue, we wait to see where it goes. Will Dr Bloch find a way to go back to her own approach of dialogue and find a way to keep things quiet and have them cooperate, or will she see that as futile and take the more heavy handed approach that generally ignites the city? Or she can choose to ignore it as much as possible and basically give them autonomy to do what they want as long as they dont bother too many other people.
Another factor might just be the onset of summer, the heat frustrates people, boredom of vacation, and perhaps this will all go away quietly at the end of the summer...
Since the new mayor, Dr. Aliza Bloch, took over, the city has been relatively quiet. People are happy wit hte progress on many fronts, including general cleanliness, roads, schools, cultural, and whatever other things are going on. The mayor talks regularly about peaceful approaches to communities with dialogue rather than approaching issues form a place on conflict and competition... Even the number, and severity, of hafganot has significantly dropped and the city has been relatively quiet for the past 8-9 months or so.
That might all change at this point. The local news has recently been reporting on a number of issues that have caused rumblings, such as the population diversity expected between RBS Daled and Hei, such as some budgeting issues, etc. though nothing has really caused the problems that were supposedly expected to result from those rumblings. But now, with Bloch having removed a caravan used as a shul placed on public ground without permission, it looks like that explosion is on the way.
According to Kikar, the extremists are now waging threats to restart their fights throughout the city of Bet Shemesh as a result of what she did. According to activists from the extremist community, if this is the "order" Bloch has come to do and to overturn our neighborhoods, and destroy our shuls, she can continue doing so and we will put down the order throughout the city as we know how to do.
Threats were explicitly waged that if she continues to fight them in their neighborhood, they will go out and cause a big mess in the secular neighborhoods of the city.

So, it looks like the honeymoon is over.
It will be interesting to see how Bloch approaches this issue from here on out. Until now she has not really worked (at least not publicly) on the issues of their illegal activities such as graffiti and signs and illegal shuls and buildings and has only tried to help them, like all the other neighborhoods, with improving cleanliness, garbage collection, infrastructure improvements, etc. Now that she is taking up the main issue, we wait to see where it goes. Will Dr Bloch find a way to go back to her own approach of dialogue and find a way to keep things quiet and have them cooperate, or will she see that as futile and take the more heavy handed approach that generally ignites the city? Or she can choose to ignore it as much as possible and basically give them autonomy to do what they want as long as they dont bother too many other people.
Another factor might just be the onset of summer, the heat frustrates people, boredom of vacation, and perhaps this will all go away quietly at the end of the summer...
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Jun 2, 2019
6/1/19 Extremist groups and extreme Chumros in Halacha and Haskafa and historically (audio)
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Feb 13, 2019
differnetiating between Haredi and non-Haredi women
This is interesting..
Signs in Jerusalem, placed along the Ramot Road, have been advertising upcoming events with a variety of speakers and hosts. As we have come to expect already, pictures of the women were defaced with spray paint covering their images.
What is interesting is that this time they have started differentiating between Haredi women and secular women.
The ads with images of Henya Shochat, a Haredi woman, were left untouched, while all the other ads with womens images, such as Orli Vilnai, Emily Arrusi and Maya Roseman, were all defaced.
So now, the extremists, if it was them as the article in Kikar assumes, are allowing frum women's faces to appear in public, but not secular women's faces. Interesting.
What I don't know is how they knew which women were religious and which were not. I would not have known without googleing the names. Also, the pictures are just faces, not full body shots, and even the non-Haredi women do nto appear immodest, so I am not sure how they could tell or differentiate.
Signs in Jerusalem, placed along the Ramot Road, have been advertising upcoming events with a variety of speakers and hosts. As we have come to expect already, pictures of the women were defaced with spray paint covering their images.
What is interesting is that this time they have started differentiating between Haredi women and secular women.
The ads with images of Henya Shochat, a Haredi woman, were left untouched, while all the other ads with womens images, such as Orli Vilnai, Emily Arrusi and Maya Roseman, were all defaced.
So now, the extremists, if it was them as the article in Kikar assumes, are allowing frum women's faces to appear in public, but not secular women's faces. Interesting.
What I don't know is how they knew which women were religious and which were not. I would not have known without googleing the names. Also, the pictures are just faces, not full body shots, and even the non-Haredi women do nto appear immodest, so I am not sure how they could tell or differentiate.
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Jan 22, 2019
Extremists mistakenly chase wrong person out of Mea Shearim
Often we find people blaming the victim when an episode crops up involving the extremists from Mea Shearim or RBS B. If the violent extremist thugs attack someone walking through the neighborhood, people say she should have been more sensitive to the culture of the place and worn longer sleeves, or not walk through at all, or the soldier should have known not to go there, or the like.
Kikar is reporting that today in Mea Shearim a young man was attacked, thankfully only by threatening mobs and screams but it did not get to actual physical violence, when he went to daven mincha in one of the local shtiebels. He was attacked because he was wearing olive green pants and someone thought he might be a soldier of the IDF, so he gathered the mob to throw him out.
The poor fellow left the shul, and the neighborhood, quickly, to avoid problems, so the thugs got what they wanted.
Should we blame him for wearing green pants? What was he thinking - dressing like a soldier! he was asking them to attack him! he provoked them by his insensitive attire.
There is no way to know what will tick off an extremist thug. One day it might be this, another day it might be that. There is no way to predict such a thing.
Thugs are thugs and should be dealt with appropriately. We needn't blame the victims, when it is the thugs causing the problems.
Kikar is reporting that today in Mea Shearim a young man was attacked, thankfully only by threatening mobs and screams but it did not get to actual physical violence, when he went to daven mincha in one of the local shtiebels. He was attacked because he was wearing olive green pants and someone thought he might be a soldier of the IDF, so he gathered the mob to throw him out.
The poor fellow left the shul, and the neighborhood, quickly, to avoid problems, so the thugs got what they wanted.
Should we blame him for wearing green pants? What was he thinking - dressing like a soldier! he was asking them to attack him! he provoked them by his insensitive attire.
There is no way to know what will tick off an extremist thug. One day it might be this, another day it might be that. There is no way to predict such a thing.
Thugs are thugs and should be dealt with appropriately. We needn't blame the victims, when it is the thugs causing the problems.
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Nov 20, 2018
Female employment - gevalt!
YWN and BS MehadrinNews are reporting on an employment conference/fair held for Haredi women in Bet Shemesh by the Link organization, founded by Chavi Ehrenfeld.
The conference was the target of protests. Haredi extremists heard about the conference and gathered outside the event in the Industrial Zone (by the Kinor David Wedding Hall) and cried their cries of shmad and how terrible this is.
Personally, I love the flat shrie of "gevalt" after each impassioned claim by the speaker. I always do.
As my friend Ben pointed out, this is actually a big change from the olden days when the protests would be held in Yiddish. Now they seem resigned to speaking, even in their traditional protests, in the modern language of Zionist Hebrew. I think they may consider the need to be understood more important than the tradition of talking only Yiddish and their rejection of the trappings of the modern State of Israel, though their mere presence alone should really be enough for that, so it is a good question as to why they are speaking Hebrew and not Yiddish.
The conference was the target of protests. Haredi extremists heard about the conference and gathered outside the event in the Industrial Zone (by the Kinor David Wedding Hall) and cried their cries of shmad and how terrible this is.
As my friend Ben pointed out, this is actually a big change from the olden days when the protests would be held in Yiddish. Now they seem resigned to speaking, even in their traditional protests, in the modern language of Zionist Hebrew. I think they may consider the need to be understood more important than the tradition of talking only Yiddish and their rejection of the trappings of the modern State of Israel, though their mere presence alone should really be enough for that, so it is a good question as to why they are speaking Hebrew and not Yiddish.
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Aug 27, 2018
protesting for the Sefardim
a group of Haredim have been protesting outside the military court in Jaffa due to the detention of a young woman who did not declare herself religious and get her automatic exemption, thereby being considered AWOL when she did not respond to her draft notice. Behadrei calls them "extremists", and while one can never tell just from a few pictures, some look like they might be part of the extremists community and others might not be.
One of the signs being held in the pictures struck me. Someone is holding a placard saying that "the sefardi and traditional daughters are nobody's property. We will fight for their honor until the end".
I think that is very honorable of these people to protest on behalf of a sefardi woman as they would for an ashkenazi woman. Though it might just be an excuse to have a protest, but still at least they dont discriminate.
Now, if they would take the same approach regarding the issue of the seminaries refusing to accept sefardi students into their schools, causing a crisis of a different sorts, that would really be something. Being that they are so concerned, I expect to see pictures of them protesting outside the houses of the askanim, rabbonim and school administrators to defend the honor of the sefardi women. Maybe that would do something towards helping resolve the crisis.
One of the signs being held in the pictures struck me. Someone is holding a placard saying that "the sefardi and traditional daughters are nobody's property. We will fight for their honor until the end".
I think that is very honorable of these people to protest on behalf of a sefardi woman as they would for an ashkenazi woman. Though it might just be an excuse to have a protest, but still at least they dont discriminate.
Now, if they would take the same approach regarding the issue of the seminaries refusing to accept sefardi students into their schools, causing a crisis of a different sorts, that would really be something. Being that they are so concerned, I expect to see pictures of them protesting outside the houses of the askanim, rabbonim and school administrators to defend the honor of the sefardi women. Maybe that would do something towards helping resolve the crisis.
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Jun 13, 2018
extremists protesting what they need
There is some new fight going on with the extremists in RBS B now.
The extremists are upset about a female psychologist in town that has claimed to have approval for her work from the Eida Hachareidis, and she is treating a yeshiva bochur. To that end they spread pashkevilim around town saying that an open door is an invitation for thieves and they therefore are calling on people to harass her by calling her number, which they published, and if we do not do so, this will be just the beginning of such sins.
In response the psychologist says that they are just extremists and are looking for bad and not to actually help the community and that she consults with a rav at every stage. She claims they took their claims to the local neighborhood rav and insisted he sign a letter against her, which he refused to do. And, if someone wants to come get treated by me, they can/should ask their rav first.
source: Actualic
1. how do they know who is getting treated by this psychologist? This is information that is normally kept confidential.
2. Are they against all psychologists or just this specific one?
3. Are they upset at her because she is treating a yeshiva bochur and there is nothing wrong with yeshiva bochurim?
4. Are they upset because it is a female doctor treating a male yeshiva bochur? Do they protest against every other female doctor who does so?
5. Are they only upset because she isnt Eida approved though they say she claims to be?
6. Maybe the right way to deal with this is this exact issue - they should all get treatment from a psychologist, though perhaps not this one...
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May 6, 2018
extremists protest against opening of police station in Modiin Ilit
I was not aware that Modiin Ilit had any significant problems with extremists. Basically the entire city is borderline litvish extremist, but they don't really seem to have the yerushalmi extremists and the problems with them like we have in Bet Shemesh or they have in parts of Jerusalem. At least it does not make it to the news, more than the occasional tidbit.It turns out they do, though clearly still far less than in other places.
After a number of problems, a police outpost was recently opened in Modiin Ilit.
The extremists are now protesting this, with protests outside the home of the mayor and by throwing their pashkevils all over the town. They are threatening to step up the protests as well.
The extremists consider it inappropriate for there to be a police station, even a communal station rather than a formal station, to be situated in a Haredi town.
source: Kikar
I am not quite sure what the problem is, though they describe it as bringing down the walls separating between secular and Haredi. Perhaps it is really a protest against having police close enough to arrest them when they make trouble or to stop their protests and attacks against innocent people.
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Apr 24, 2018
they can criticize the extremists - when they want to
The Admor of Vizshnitz Bet Shemesh came out harshly criticizing the extremists in RBS B.
Over Pesach, Deputy Minister Meir Porush had been invited to the kehilla and when he arrived he came under attack from hundreds of the extremists.
The rebbe criticized them, said Porush is a welcome guest and is someone who helps anyone who needs help, no matter who they might be, and even invited him again to his grandsons bris. The rebbe said Porush should not be afraid from this minority of people who are regularly destroying the city. He said it is fine and nice that they do not take money from the State but they cannot come out against people. They can debate ideas and argue against opinions and methods, but they cannot go personally against any person.
source: Kikar
I dont know why he waited 3 weeks or so before saying anything, but ok. I am sure he has his reason. What I do find interesting is that he said anything at all. We regularly hear excuses when refusing to condemn the extremists about how we have nothing to do with them, they do not listen to us, we are not them and they are not us, it is insulting to be lumped with them that we have to condemn them, etc etc etc. Sure enough, when someone want to he has no problem condemning them.
Further, this raises the question why only when it affected his small community could he say something, and not when it is more general, when they do things affecting the entire city. He even says in his attack on them now that they are regularly doing things that destroy the city. So why not condemn them at other times? Let them know, and let everyone else know, that what they are doing is wrong. Maybe if important people speak up they will eventually feel pressured to stop.
Over Pesach, Deputy Minister Meir Porush had been invited to the kehilla and when he arrived he came under attack from hundreds of the extremists.
The rebbe criticized them, said Porush is a welcome guest and is someone who helps anyone who needs help, no matter who they might be, and even invited him again to his grandsons bris. The rebbe said Porush should not be afraid from this minority of people who are regularly destroying the city. He said it is fine and nice that they do not take money from the State but they cannot come out against people. They can debate ideas and argue against opinions and methods, but they cannot go personally against any person.
source: Kikar
I dont know why he waited 3 weeks or so before saying anything, but ok. I am sure he has his reason. What I do find interesting is that he said anything at all. We regularly hear excuses when refusing to condemn the extremists about how we have nothing to do with them, they do not listen to us, we are not them and they are not us, it is insulting to be lumped with them that we have to condemn them, etc etc etc. Sure enough, when someone want to he has no problem condemning them.
Further, this raises the question why only when it affected his small community could he say something, and not when it is more general, when they do things affecting the entire city. He even says in his attack on them now that they are regularly doing things that destroy the city. So why not condemn them at other times? Let them know, and let everyone else know, that what they are doing is wrong. Maybe if important people speak up they will eventually feel pressured to stop.
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