Showing posts with label Meier Porush. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Meier Porush. Show all posts
Jan 4, 2026
Quote of the Day
The secular Israeli who avoids the draft should get much greater sanctions because the State invested in them much more money over th eyears. If a secular Israeli evades the draft he should pay morefor the "candies" he received his entire life. The sorry Haredi evader didn't get anything...
The canceling of the daycare subsidies - is it compatible with the United Nations convention, upon which Israel is a signator, against starving small children?
-- MK Meir Porush (UTJ)
Porush can always be counted on for putting on a good show in Knesset....
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Apr 18, 2024
the bread of freedom being sent to Gaza
Minister Meir Porush has petitioned the United Nations to send humanitarian aid to the hostages being held in Gaza.
Porush reached out to Tor Wennesland, the UN representative to the Middle East asking to send matza and wine as humanitarian aid to the 133 hostages being held in Gaza. Porush stressed the aid should be sent before Monday evening to ensure the hostages will be able to use it to commemorate the Pesach holiday, even if only in a symbolic way. Receiving such aid would also raise their spirits and help them withstand these difficult times while being held captive until they are released.
Porush did say that we are hoping and praying the hostages will be released by then, before the holiday, but in the case that they aren't, this aid should be supplied.
source: Hamechadesh
Even if the request should be accepted, they will get it like they got the medications that were sent in a few months back... and how likely is it that Hamas will give wine to the hostages? But at the end of the day, all we can do is try, so good on him for requesting it.
And hopefully the matza will be the bread of freedom for them and be the harbinger for their release quickly and in the very near future.
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Feb 1, 2024
drafting yeshiva boys early
There is an issue right now with the defense systems because of the war. Schedules are messed up, they need soldiers, they need soldiers to be available, they need to rotate soldiers, they need to be prepared for possibilities in the north and maybe elsewhere. This war messed up the normal routine of the IDF, just like it did for everything else in the country, and that includes draft dates and training schedules.
One of the solutions is to draft a bunch of people waiting in the ranks earlier than planned. Defense Minister Yoav Galant came up with a plan to draft 1300 young men earlier than originally scheduled. That includes drafting hesder boys earlier than planned, mechina students earlier than planned, yeshiva boys from the Dati Leumi yeshivas (separate from hesder), Service Year volunteers, and others cutting their programs short and bringing them earlier than scheduled to the IDF.
I am not going to argue with that solution or support it. I wont even comment on it. It does not affect me and I do not have an opinion on the matter - I do not know the positive or negative effects doing this might have on the draftees and how that weighs against the needs of the army. They are doing it, or working towards doing it. Ok.
Interestingly, this needed to be discussed in the Knesset. Galant himself was, understandably unavailable to appear in the Knesset to discuss the plan and to defend it. What commonly happens in such situations is that the government appoints another minister to present and defend the plan to the Knesset in place of the absent party.
In the case of this law the minister selected to present the plan was Minister Meir Porush.
Regardless of anything anyone might like or dislike about Meir Porush, he is a representative form the Haredi parties who do not generally send their electorate to the army - they work on behalf of getting their electorate exempted from army service.
So, Minister Meir Porush stands up there at the Knesset podium telling everyone how important it is to fill the shortage of soldiers in the IDF by taking DL yeshiva students out of yeshiva early into the army, but God forbid his own young men should be taken out of yeshiva to help fill a shortage of soldiers.
Was nobody there smart enough to say maybe he isn't the right person to represent this issue? I don't know his position on the matter but maybe Smotritch (I havent heard him oppose it, but maybe he does) should have been the person to present it, considering it is somewhat (largely?) his electorate, or maybe a minister from the Likud...
This government has been dysfunctional from day 1 and is pretty much nothing but a major troll on everyone else.
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Aug 29, 2023
Porush in bed with Berland, again
The Porushes were always headstrong politicians, did what they felt was right, didn't care what anybody else thought of them, and they were all bulldozers in finding their projects and pushing them through no matter who opposed them. And that has been part of their charm and level of popularity.
While often they use their political dogheadedness for good, or at least for advancing their agendas, sometimes it can be upsetting and frustrating.
Like how Minister Meir Porush has in recent years taken it upon himself to help Eliezer Berland, the rapist, thug, criminal from Breslav in various ways. He ensured that berland would get to light and lead a bonfire for his followers in Meron on Lag B'Omer when in general the lighting were being limited. In recent years Porush has helped Berland get permission to travel to Uman for Rosh Hashana, despite having travel restrictions on his passport due to being convicted for violent crimes. And now once again Meir Porush is stepping up to the plate for Berland.
It turns out Berland is on a no fly list in Ukraine, due to his crimes and convictions. He was given a black passport. Ukraine does not want him there. Porush is stepping up and trying to use his influence to get Berland special permission from Ukraine to travel for Rosh Hashana to Uman. He has so far spoke to the Ukranian Ambassador, but supposedly the Ambassaor said that to make such an exception the Israeli government would have send an official request which it did not do. And I guess it won't because Porush is looking for other ways instead of getting the government to issue a letter. At least some of the other ministers are not willing to help Berland.
So now that the Ambassador protexia route did not pan out, Porush is petitioning the Ukranian courts to get permission for Berland. We'll see how that pans out.
If anything Porush should at least get him permission to go but then not let him return. Leave him stranded outside of Israel. But we know that won't happen.
This is the bad and frustrating side of the Porushes. they dont care what anyone else has to say, so they are willing to even help an evil person like Berland if it behooves them.
When Litmzan helped Malka Leifer evade trial for a long time, eventually he was indicted for it (among other things) and then resigned for politics. I don't know if he is getting something in return for helping Berland or if he is just playing to his constituents but I hope one day he is made to pay for helping such a criminal.
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Aug 13, 2023
Porush working hard but it might not matter
Minister of Jerusalem Affairs and Jewish Heritage Meir Porush has been running around form country to country preparing for ways to ease the travel issues of the pilgrims to Uman for the upcoming Rosh Hashana holiday. He has been running to all the countries bordering Ukraine via which pilgrims might travel to discuss ways to ease and lighten the possible complications along the way.
It looks like a new issue just came up that might run all the work he put in...
According to Hamechadesh, based on the Kiev Post, President Zelenskiyy is considering canceling the visa arangement with Israel that allows Israeli travelers (and Ukranian in the other direction) to travel to Ukraine without first applying for a visa. According to Zelenskiyy, Israel has not helped Ukraine at all in this war with Russia and has, additionally, been too pro-Russia.
Additionally, according to the report, Ukraine suspects Israel of leaking information to Russia from their RAMSTEN meetings, which is an alliance of 54 countries that meet monthly to discuss and coordinate aid to Ukraine. Israel might already have leaked information or they might leak information in the future. Whatever it is, Ukraine seems to be a bit upset at Israel and might take it out by canceling the visa travel arrangement.
It is hard to believe they will cancel it so quickly, quick enough to make trouble for the Breslovers about to embark on their holiday trip in just about a month from now, but with Zelenskiyy one never knows. He can turn on a dime if he thinks it might get Ukraine more military aid. This situation could get interesting very quickly
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Jun 20, 2023
Quote of the Day
In a democratic country we cannot agree with someone saying "I will not go to the army because I do not like the way the government functions", this is crossing a red line
-- Minister of Jerusalem and of Jewish Affairs Meir Porush, when asked about the issue of some reservists threatening to not appear for duty
Porush might be right on the money, but the irony of him saying this while pushing an agenda (and regularly threatening to collapse governments that do not go along with it) to exempt tens, or maybe hundreds, of thousands of people from army service is rich.
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Feb 28, 2023
the great white hope
Whoa. The news is reporting that Minister Meir Porush just resigned from his position as minister responsible for the Meron celebration on Lag B'Omer.
It seems Porush got fed up with appointments being forced on him and both the Likud and Shas have been mixing their hands into his pot. Porush has had enough and cannot take responsibility for Meron under these conditions.
According to news reports, Porush is considering full resignation form the government, being that responsibility for Meron was the main reason he took the ministerial position in the first place.
That would make it two days in a row of resignations from the government (unless Porush waits until tomorrow)
I dont think this is a sign that the government is at risk. Not at this point. Both Maoz and Porush will still support the government from the Knesset, and Porush is still beholden as part of UTJ (as much/little as Porush is ever beholden to anything), so while it is not actual dissent and doesnt make Netanyahu's government shaky the way Idit Silman's resignation made Bennett's government unstable, it is a sign of general problems in the coalition.
But more than concern about the government, I am concerned about the upcoming Lag B'Omer celebrations in Meron. Lag B'Omer is less than 3 months away. Porush was the great white hope for getting the Meron celebrations back on track in a way that would be both safe and celebratory. Can anyone else take over at this point and make a successful event? Possibly but there is not much time left.
But more than concern about the government, I am concerned about the upcoming Lag B'Omer celebrations in Meron. Lag B'Omer is less than 3 months away. Porush was the great white hope for getting the Meron celebrations back on track in a way that would be both safe and celebratory. Can anyone else take over at this point and make a successful event? Possibly but there is not much time left.
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Dec 29, 2022
look away
Had I not alreadys elected a picture of the day, this would have gotten it..
despite voting in favor of Amir Ochana's appoitnment to Director of the Knesset, MKs Moshe Gafni and Meir Porush (both UTJ) put their heads down when Ochana gave his inaugural speech. Seems a little hypocritical to vote for him but then to publicly turn away during his speech, but that's what they did...I am waiting to see if Avi Maoz did the same or not
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Dec 25, 2022
Quote of the Day
The Reform Rabbi once again used his immunity and like the last of the criminals is trampling the regulations of the Kotel Rav, via desecration the holiness of the site and desecrating a sefer torah. Soon this will come to an end.
-- MK Meir Porush (UTJ), commenting on the actions today of MK Gilad Kariv (Labor) who went to the Kotel this morning to daven with the Women of the Wall and used his immunity to bring in a Torah scroll, which he also raised open (hagba or out of the blue?) (see pic below)
1. how will this soon come to an end? Kariv will remain an MK even after the new government is sworn in and will continue to have immunity. What can they do to stop it? I am curious
2. According to Orthodox opinion and according to halacha, it seems that Reform Torah scrolls do not have holiness (I have heard this over the years many times in shiurim and from rabbis talking about these laws) so how did Kariv desecrate a Torah scroll according to Porush? Unless Porush says Reform torah scrolls do have holiness...
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Dec 5, 2022
Minister of Meron
According to the Jerusalem Post report, Meir Porush has requested, as part of coalition negotiations, sole responsibility for Meron and the Lag B'Omer events, along with responsibility for implementing whatever necessary as per the decisions of the investigative committee into the Meron tragedy in which 45 people were killed in a stampede.
Porush has always dealt with Meron more directly than any of the others, so it is not surprising that he wants to be involved in this way. Last year when Matan Kahane organized the Lag B'Omer events, Porush broke the ban on talking to members of the government at the time and went to Meron to coordinate with Kahane on different issues and to help so the event would run smoothly and as much to his satisfaction as possible.
Interestingly, people are now calling Porush the Minister of Meron (assumign he will be granted this role he is requesting). He has also already reportedly been given the role of Minister of Jerusalem in the incoming government, if agreements are to be signed. Add to that other oles given to other people such as Minister of the South and the Galillee, along with Minister of the Periphery, and I wonder if we will soon have a minister for every city and region, just to create enough government positions to satisfy every MK. We'll have a Minister of Bet Shemesh, a Minister of Tel Aviv, a Minister of the North, a Minister of Judea and Samaria, a Minister of Eilat, a Minister of Haifa, you get the point.
If anyone can do a good job up in Meron that would keep the main people who run it happy, and maybe even do it responsibly at the same time, it is Meir Porush. We'll see what happens.
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Sep 29, 2022
MK Porush and the Ukranian Traffic Jam
the pilgrimage to Uman this year for Rosh Hashana was supposed to be a logistical nightmare. Because of the war there are no flights in and out of Ukraine (besides for the air force jets of Russia and Ukraine). Pilgrims trying to go to Uman would have to fly in from wherever to a neighboring or nearby country, possibly take another domestic flight closer to the border with Ukraine, and then travel by land (buses, shuttles and cars) for 13+ hours to get to Uman.
According to reports, 20-25 thousand pilgrims were not deterred by all that and went anyway.
And dont forget, the way out is basically the same story but in reverse. And actually a bit worse - while coming in everyone went on staggered schedules, each traveling on his own timeline, leaving Uman happened for almost all 25 thousand people at once.
While I am not 100% clear on why, there is a major gridlock for the pilgrims leaving, and many have been sitting on the road for hours and by now even days, trying to get out of Ukraine. It is a massive traffic jam leading to the borders and probably some bureaucracy as well.
The news today reported that MK Meir Porush (UTJ) has gotten involved and has been pushing the Foreign Ministry and Defense officials to intervene assist with finding solutions to help the people trying to leave who are stuck at the borders.
With knowing just that sparse information, I must say that this is a big difference between the Haredi MKs form Shas and UTJ and most of the other MKs. Most MKs are, as the job role seems to require, working on the more macro level, setting policy, passing laws, and the like. In addition to all that, the Haredi MKs spend a lot of time actually helping individuals (and I am sure other MKs do as well, but the Haredi MKs see it as an integral part of their job - let me know if I am wrong) and dealing with micro issues. An MK dealing with a traffic jam in another country getting involved because Israeli citizens are there? I am not sure how many MKs would care enough or feel responsible enough t bother with it. this might be a good thing, and maybe some see it as a bad thing - so focused on assisting individuals makes them deficient perhaps in assisting on the greater levels, but I think that is part of why their communities love them so much.
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Oct 7, 2021
Picture of the Day
MK Meir Porush (UTJ) protested in the Knesset Constitutional Committee headed by MK Gilad Kariv (Labor). Kariv, a Reform rabbi, used his Knesset immunity earlier today to bring a Torah into the women's section of the Kotel for the egalitarian minyan (WoW, etc). Porus protested at the start of the session, and Kariv allowed the protest. Porush recited Tehillim aloud, and when pushed to leave, he sat on the floor and continued. After a few minutes Kariv called him to order and Porush refused to get up, insisting on continuing his protest. After 3 calls to order, Porush was forcibly removed from the session. At that point they took a break and Kariv said it is important to allow MK Porush to voice his protest and it is time for the session to get started and hopefully Porush would rejoin after the break. Porush, not a member of the committee, did not return after he eventually left - he called on Kariv to stop his provocation at the Kotel and said you stop going to the Kotel and I will stop coming to the committee.
Porush is the king of antics. I remember when he handcuffed himself to the Knesset podium.
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Jun 14, 2021
Picture of the Day
That is MK Meir Porush catching a shluf during the speeches yesterday in the Knesset at the swearing-in ceremony of the new government.
There were so many interesting scenes happening, and this is the one I think I most relate to... every Friday night (not at early Shabbos though, because there is no break with speeches) between kabalat shabbat and maariv, and almost any other time I go to sit and listen to a speech...
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May 9, 2021
Porush Eichlet send letter to Netanyahu with solution to election problem
I dont get it.
PM Netanyahu had 28 days to try to form a coalition. He failed. Netanyahu spent much of that time working to prevent an alternative government rather than trying to form a coalition. He never even got together with Gdeon Saar and his people to try to persuade them (not that there was much of a chance), and he spent more time attacking Naftali Bennett and Yamina than trying to finish a coalition - even though they agreed to join a Netanyahu government if he could get 61.
When Netanyahu's 28 days came to an end with no coalition, the mandate was given to MK Yair Lapid to try to form a coalition. He is working to that goal now, and he might or might not be successful. Odds are against him being successful, but all we can do right now is wait and see.
Today Deputy Minister Meir Porush and MK Yisroel Eichler, both from UTJ, sent a letter to PM Netanyahu. They suggested that Netanyahu step aside for a year and a half and allow someone else from the Likud to be Prime Minister, thus enabling them to form a full right wing coalition. After the year and a half, Netanyahu would return to the premiership.
Porush and Eichler are assuming that Saar and Bennett would be fine with such an arrangement and join this government.
What I do not get is, why now? Right now it is not in Netanyahu's hands to form a government. He had just about a month to try. Where were they then? Right now it is in Lapid's hands. If Lapid fails, we almost definitely go to elections. The President almost definitely won't give it back to Netanyahu after he already failed. So why now?
And, despite the why now, what is this new proposal anyway? Netanyahu offered everybody and their cousin, except Gideon Saar, first slot in a rotation arrangement. How is this new, dramatic, letter to Netanyahu presenting a new option, not previously explored? The problem with such a promise is not that Netanyahu refuses to make the promise, but that nobody believes anything he says because in the past he has broken so many promises to all the people now opposed to him - they no longer trust a word he says and are no longer willing to work with him. And if UTJ or Shas offers to guarantee the promise be kept, we all know how that turned out last time and that nobody will accept such a guarantee now because of it.
So, what are they trying to accomplish with this letter?
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Apr 7, 2021
Din Meron KDin Har Habayit
Deputy Minister Meir Porush just complained and warned about Meron on Lag B'Omer.
Current reports suggest that the government is planning to limit the pilgrimage to Meron on Lag B'Omer.
Porush said, when he heard this, paraphrasing Ariel Sharon's famous statement, din tel aviv kdin netzarim - the status of Netzarim is the same as that of Tel Aviv, Din Meron kdin Har Habayit. Porush added that if next week during Ramadan they will allow a hundred thousand pilgrims to Har Habayit, there is no reason to limit the pilgrims to Kever Rashbi in meron on Lag B'Omer.
While Porush might be right about the numbers of pilgrims allowed, he should also remember that Jews are not allowed to pray on Har Habayit. If he says the status of Har Habayit and that of Meron are one and the same, he might get his Jews banned from praying in meron....
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Sep 9, 2020
Deputy Minister Porush as Corona Gabbai when he ignores the rules
The police are now investigating a large hassidishe wedding (the granddaughter of the Seret Vishnitze Rebbe) that just took place the other day in Haifa. They organized it against the guidelines of the Ministry of Health and many were not wearing masks or keeping distance. The police had warned them in advance and insisted the wedding be canceled or the format changed, but the warnings were ignored.
The interesting part of this is that Deputy Minister Meir Porush participated in the wedding as a guest.
A member of the government telling everyone what they cannot do because of Corona participated in an illegal wedding that was breaking the rules of the government's Corona regulations.
Ok, still not so exciting. Even a bit ho hum, if you ask me.
Porush's response today was that he was just there for a very short amount of time to say mazel tov and make an appearance, but he did not participate in any significant way. We have all gone in to weddings, just to say mazel tov. We all plan to be there two or three minutes and then leave. We all know it actually takes a minimum of 15 minutes in the best case scenario. Then talk about a prestigious wedding - the granddaughter of a prominent rebbe, and a deputy minister, with masses of people, and do we really think he was just there for a few minutes?
Still, ho hum.
The interesting part, I think, is that just a few days ago Porush tried to persuade Gamzu to recant his position on closing Uman. He tried to get the government to allow thousands more to travel to Uman for Rosh Hashana, and even offered to go to Uman himself and be the person in charge of making sure all the regulations are adhered to.
Ha ha! Now that is interesting. Here in Israel Deputy Minister Porush is breaking the rules and allowing others to, but he'll go to Uman and make sure they keep the rules there.
Now that is interesting.
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May 19, 2020
Gafni and Porush on annexation
There is a bit of a tizzy with UTJ and the revelation that they are not quite as right wing as they sold themselves during the recent elections.
MK Meir Porush (UTJ) has spoken up somewhat in defense of Gafni explaining that his opinions are based on the opinions of Rav Shach. He qualified it by giving some soft criticism saying nobody has the right to give up Eretz Ysisrael, he described himself as much more right wing than Gafni and other factions, and explained that UTJ is made up of a technical bloc of a few parties, so just because that is the opinion of Gafni does not make it the position held by them all (yet the coalition agreement they signed on has a clause included by Gafni - the other factions did not debate it and insist it be taken out).
Gafni shot back at Porush and blah blah blah.
That does not matter. Gafni is entitled to his opinion, and UTJ is entitled to its opinion. They have every right to take the position on annexation that it cannot be done alone, and that is fine.
The only issue is that they sold themselves as a right wing party protecting Eretz Yisrael, but very quickly changed their tune after the votes were counted. Just more lying politicians.
MK Meir Porush (UTJ) has spoken up somewhat in defense of Gafni explaining that his opinions are based on the opinions of Rav Shach. He qualified it by giving some soft criticism saying nobody has the right to give up Eretz Ysisrael, he described himself as much more right wing than Gafni and other factions, and explained that UTJ is made up of a technical bloc of a few parties, so just because that is the opinion of Gafni does not make it the position held by them all (yet the coalition agreement they signed on has a clause included by Gafni - the other factions did not debate it and insist it be taken out).
Gafni shot back at Porush and blah blah blah.
That does not matter. Gafni is entitled to his opinion, and UTJ is entitled to its opinion. They have every right to take the position on annexation that it cannot be done alone, and that is fine.
The only issue is that they sold themselves as a right wing party protecting Eretz Yisrael, but very quickly changed their tune after the votes were counted. Just more lying politicians.
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Jul 25, 2019
Quote of the Day
When Netanyahu first ran for Prime Minister, the Moetzes Gedolei Hatorah decided to support him because his party is the closest to traditional Judaism. The Likud doesn't reprove anyone with a platform that is anti-religious. This is why we will support only Netanyahu
-- Deputy Minister Meir Porush
what was was, but recently the Likud representatives have become the biggest supporters of public transportation on Shabbos. And according to a recent interview with Yaakov Litzman, there used to never be road works and rail works done on Shabbos, let alone public transportation, and all the work being done now on Shabbos is all very recent. So with the Likud leadership and government being behind the ever-increasing public chilul shabbos, you'd think UTJ would reconsider that position. In light of that, is the Likud still really the closest to tradition? Maybe despite the chilul shabbos they still are because the others are much worse?
-- Deputy Minister Meir Porush
what was was, but recently the Likud representatives have become the biggest supporters of public transportation on Shabbos. And according to a recent interview with Yaakov Litzman, there used to never be road works and rail works done on Shabbos, let alone public transportation, and all the work being done now on Shabbos is all very recent. So with the Likud leadership and government being behind the ever-increasing public chilul shabbos, you'd think UTJ would reconsider that position. In light of that, is the Likud still really the closest to tradition? Maybe despite the chilul shabbos they still are because the others are much worse?
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Mar 14, 2019
Quote of the Day
This hurts every Haredi Jew. When Omer Yankelovitch will run by himself in his own party - let's see if he gets in then, if he did anything
-- Deputy Minister Meir Porush, when asked in a Kikar interview about Omer Yankelevitch running in a non-Haredi party
pretty much anybody running in his own party by himself will not get in. That is the purpose of the 3.25% minimum threshold. Porush also would not get in if he ran by himself in his own party. Neither would Gafni or Litzman or Deri or most MKs. Yankelevitch also would not get in on her own, but so what? That's why she is running as part of a larger party, just like every other hopeful MK.
The main interesting part of the quote is how Porush refers to Yankelevitch as a male. Either he just made a grammatical mistake, or he does not even know who Yankelevitch is and is assuming Yankelevitch is male. The name "Omer" is not common or gender specific, so perhaps he just does not know but was told about a Haredi person running in a non-Haredi party....
-- Deputy Minister Meir Porush, when asked in a Kikar interview about Omer Yankelevitch running in a non-Haredi party
pretty much anybody running in his own party by himself will not get in. That is the purpose of the 3.25% minimum threshold. Porush also would not get in if he ran by himself in his own party. Neither would Gafni or Litzman or Deri or most MKs. Yankelevitch also would not get in on her own, but so what? That's why she is running as part of a larger party, just like every other hopeful MK.
The main interesting part of the quote is how Porush refers to Yankelevitch as a male. Either he just made a grammatical mistake, or he does not even know who Yankelevitch is and is assuming Yankelevitch is male. The name "Omer" is not common or gender specific, so perhaps he just does not know but was told about a Haredi person running in a non-Haredi party....
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Oct 9, 2018
Gafni explains the broken deals and the connection
To be fair, I have to follow up on my post from the other day about the Bet Shemesh - Elad connection.
At a Degel Hatorah rally in Beitar Ilit for the upcoming elections, MK Moshe Gafni commented on the issue with Shlomei Emunim. Gafni explained, again, that the deal in Elad was 1 for 1 - 2013 Degel supports Shlomei Emunim's candidae in Elad (ie Porush) and in 2018 Shlomei Emunim would support Degel's candidate in Elad (ie Pindros).
Gafni added that there was also a deal in Bet Shemesh, but it was a separate deal and had no connection to the deal in Elad, and there was also a separate deal in Beitar. Somehow they invented some sort of connection between the deals.
So, Gafni explicitly has now denied the existence of such a connection betwene the Bet Shemesh and Elad deals, so I have to give him credit for that. And, that leaves open the question for Meir Porush why he thinks there is a connection, or why he is connecting the deals when there is no connection. Being that the written agreement has not been publicized for public scrutiny, the public has no way of knowing which side is correct and which is fudging on the details. It is basically a "he said he said" argument. So let them argue - Gafni even said, at the same rally, sometimes machlokes is good - maybe it will turn out good for them, maybe not.
As an interesting side point, Gafni said a bit more about the broken deal in Bet Shemesh. Gafni said that Degel was supposed to run a candidate for mayor in Bet Shemesh, and Rav Gershon Edelstein told them to hold a lottery/raffle between the various reps as to which would be the candidate. Then they went to Rav Chaim Kanievsky and he said not to run a candidate but to support Abutbol for mayor. "We are proud that we have always followed the instructions of the gedolim, from the founding of the party until today".
So basically Gafni admits to having broken the deal in Bet Shemesh and thinks it isnt even cosnidered having been broken because he did what the gedolim told him to do. I do wonder if when they asked Rav Kanievsky they also added the fact that there is a deal in place with Shlomei Emunim and if that would change anything.. Whether he did or did not, he explicitly admits that Degel broke the deal. The question is if that has any connection to Elad or not. But even if there is no direct connection to Elad - do you keep your side of agreements when your partner is busy pulling fast ones over you on your other partnership deals?
sources: Behadrei and Kikar
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