Showing posts with label yeshiva bachurim. Show all posts
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Mar 31, 2024
Halacha Headlines: 3/30/24 – Shiur 462 – What are our “Yeshiva bochers” struggling with nowadays? (audio)
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Nov 20, 2023
Interesting Psak: Returning to Learn in Israel
Some yeshiva students from Mexico have not returned to their yeshivas in Israel after the Sukkos break because of the war that broke out. Because the war and potential danger, they were unsure whether to return to Israel or not and sent the question to Rav Yitzchak Zilbershtein looking for guidance.
Rav Zilbershtein, rav of Ramat Elchnonon neighborhood of Bnei Braq, referred to the Chafetz Chaim who was asked before World War II in 1933 who would be saved from Hitler if he is successful in wiping out the Jews of Europe. According to the story,
Rav Moshe Londinski, one of the three Roshei Yeshiva of the Chofetz Chaim’s Yeshiva in Radin, inquired of the Chofetz Chaim, “What will be the fate of our brethren in Germany and in Poland?” Rav Londinski pointed out that Hitler y”s had been talking about destroying the entirety of Klal Yisroel for years.The Chofetz Chaim responded that it is impossible for someone to succeed in wiping out Klal Yisroel in all the lands of the exile and he cited the pasuk (Bereishis 32:4-9) “’If Esav comes to the one camp and attacks it, the other camp will escape.”At that point, Rav Moshe Londinski zt”l realized that the danger was quite grave. He asked further, “If Heaven forbid, he succeeds in wiping out European Jewry, who and where is the other camp that will survive?”The Chofetz Chaim answered, “This too is a pasuk, it is in the beginning of the Navi Ovadiah (1:17), “And on Mount Zion there shall be a remnant, and it shall be holy..” Rav Londinski left the Chofetz Chaim’s presence with his hands shaking on the future destruction of European Jewry, but he was assured that the Holy Land will be spared and no sword of the Nazi menace would pass before it.
Rav Zilbershtein says the words of the Chafetz Chaim were accurate. As soon as the German army approached Eretz Yisrael, that brought about their downfall. We are now in the times of the birth pangs of Mashiach and the nations of the world have increased their hatred of the Jews around the world. No place is safe and calm and only Hashem saves us from them.
Because the Torah learning protects, especially in the land of Israel where there is special protection, the Yeshiva students should return and have nothing to be concerned about and will be safe.
That being said, Rav Zilbershtein added that the boys should take on additional learning, including learning at least two laws of Shabos daily and the merit of Shabbos will add additional protection.
source: Hamechadesh
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Dec 14, 2021
the non-Jewish yeshiva bachur
Remember the story of the Lebanese avreich? How could anyone forget? The news was a splash when it broke. A young man from Lebanon spent years posing as a Jew, and eventually even married a frum young woman, only to be discovered a week later as being a fraud.
I didn't like how sanctimonious some people were at the time, saying that this shows how Israel's more centralized system is necessary and in the USA without a centralized system, anything goes and someone can get away with this type of a thing. This was used to show how the coming reforms in Israel to decentralize the systems and change the way the Rabbanut functions will be dangerous to the Jewish community and open it up to similar situations as to what happened with thee Lebanese avreich, Eli Hawila.
Well, it happened in Israel too. Not exactly the same. not intentional fraud by the young man, but pretty similar. A form of fraud by the young man's mother.
According to Kikar and other Haredi news media sites, a young man, a top student in an excellent yeshiva, in shidduchim discovered that his mother isn't Jewish (though the father is), ergo neither is he. His parents had made aliya from the Ukraine some years ago and she never underwent a conversion and never told anyone until now that she is not Jewish, and only told him now because of the shidduch situation.
The young man was devastated to discover this information and went to tell his rav in yeshiva about this. the rebbi from the yeshiva went to the Chief Rabbi, Rav Yitzchak Yosef, to relate the situation and to request that a solution be found quickly so things will calm down and people can move on.
Rav Yitzchak Yosef decided, obviously, that the young man needs a conversion if he wants to be Jewish, but he told the relevant people in the conversion system to make it a speedy one - I guess he already knows the material and lifestyle so he doesnt need to spend a year or two studying for it and absorbing the culture.
The young man has started the conversion process now and will return to yeshiva and shidduchim when it has been completed.
What a devastating thing to discover. Flips your entire world around. For him it was obvious immediately to go through a conversion, though I am not sure everyone would be so quick to make the same decision upon a similar discovery. Honestly, I sometimes wonder what I would do in that situation.
Why speed it up for him but make it so difficult for others, including the Lebanese Hawila in the USA? Because this young man was not defrauding anyone. he claimed to be Jewish because he thought he was. He wasnt knowingly passing himself off as someone else, and he is not a newbie coming to learn a new religion. he knows it all already and wants the lifestyle, so there is no reason to drag it out.
All that being said, the mother fooled the centralized system and the entire community and yeshiva and raised this young man to be the best boy in the yeshiva despite not even being Jewish. It can happen even in a centralized system with the Rabbanut controlling the books, not just in the free for all of America.
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May 25, 2021
The Ultra-Zionist and the Anti-Zionist
I have nothing exciting to say about this, but it is an interesting human life story that you might be interested in hearing..
Yesterday in Mea Shearim a young man married a young woman.
That sounds like not much of an exceptional story. Dozens of young couples probably get married in Mea Shearim every week.
the interesting part of this story is that the wedding was in Mea Shearim because the Admor of Toldos Avraham Yitzchak was the rabbi who officiated at the wedding -he, a staunch anti-Zionist, was the mesader kedushin. It was in mea Shearim because the elderly rebbe is unwell and generally does not leave his immediate surroundings, especially not leaving Mea Shearim.
The chosson, the groom, is not one of regular chassidim of Toldos Avraham Yitzcha, but is a student learning in the ultra-Zionist yeshiva of Merkaz HaRav, originally founded nearly 100 years ago by Rav Avraham Yitzchak Kook, the first [Ashkenazi] Chief Rabbi of Israel (was the British Mandate of Palestine then).
So how did the Toldos Avraham Yizchak Rebbe become the mesader kedhushin for a student of Merkaz Harav? It seems that the chosson has being going regularly to the tish of the rebbe on Friday nights, and sometimes bringing friends along. he took a liking to the Rebbe and the tishes, finding it enchanting, became a regular and even a talmid of the Rebbe. When he was set to get married, he asked the Rebbe to officiate, so the wedding was performed in the Rebbe's beis medrash.
During the kabalas panim before the wedding began, the groom's friends from his yeshiva all went into the beis medrash and sat with the chassidim and sang together, hassidic and knitted kipa together, and then went out to the wedding.
Here are some images:
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Apr 29, 2021
the modern day King Solomon splitting of the baby
Ah, Ponevezh Yeshiva.
I don't know what you did to end up like this.
Actually that reminds me that last week I saw an article about some Chabad activist who says he does know how Ponevezh ended up like this, and it is because in Ponevezh they publicly attacked and shamed the Lubavitcher Rebbe, so it is the one yeshiva where the boys treat the rosh yeshivas with no respect and throw yogurt at them. Is he right or wrong, I dont know - that is above my pay grade, but that is what he said.
Over the past weeks the fighting in Ponevezh Yeshiva has heated up again and intensified. Videos were seen of boys physically attacking rish yeshivas, pushing and hitting, throwing yogurts, shtenders, etc.. I don't know, or care, what they are fighting about, nor do I remember which group is who - they call the two groups the "sonim" and the "mechablim" - the haters and the terrorists. Not overly positive names.
So they have been fighting again and now the police are involved. The police brought the two sides together to seek out a compromise, warning them that if no compromise is reached the police will shut down the entire institution for a month (including over Shavuos).
Obviously each side blames the other for causing the uptick in violence and for refusing to compromise.
Kikar is reporting that the "sonim" are claiming that before corona their faction held most of the seats in the main sanctuary and their demand is to continue the previous arrangement, but in order to prevent the yeshiva from being shut down they are willing to compromise on splitting it 50-50. They say they are waiting for a response fomr the other side but expect it to be refused - this would cause a problem for the sonim as their beis medrash would be shut down leaving them no place to learn but the mechablim actually have another beis medrash to use.
So the mechablim will reject the offer just to get the beis medrash shut down for the sonim while they have an alternative solution for themselves.
The "mechablim" are claiming that the sonim are using their connections with the police and the entire suggestion of closing down the yeshiva to force a compromise was suggested by the sonim and shutting down Ponevezh has never happened - it functions 24 hours a day.
It is not for me to determine who is right and who is wrong. I don't think I can even suggest the two factions part ways if they can't live with each other, because there is probably a lot of money and prestige involved and it would need to be determined who retains the rights to the building and property and everything inside along with use of the name.
I also don't understand why the students are fighting over this. Where is the adult leadership? Where are the rosh yeshivas in this? Why don't they get an objective arbitrator, another outside rosh yeshiva, or a beis din, to sit down and make a decision regarding whatever issues they are fighting about? WHy are the students leading the battle here?
So, while the fighting continues and the threat of the police shutting them down hangs over their heads, all that's left is that the compromise discussion reminded of the story of King Solomon sitting in judgement over the two mothers, each claiming the live baby is hers and the dead baby is of the other woman. The one that was ok with splitting the baby was determined to not be the actual mother of the live baby as no mother would do that - she would give the baby away before splitting it.
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Apr 5, 2021
foreign students to be allowed in to Israel
According to YWN, it has been worked out via the efforts of Rabbi Nechamya Malinowitz of "the Igud" to allow all foreign students into Israel. This will include yeshiva bochurim, kollel avreichim with their wives and children and other single students. Also, this will include both returning students and new students who were not in Israel before.
Foreigners have not been let into Israel for several months already, so this is big news that there is an agreement to let these non-Israelis into Israel to study.
The allowance will, obviously, be dependent on Covid-19 testing and maybe other requirements (of quarantine and whatnot).
That is a big win.
As an aside, there is an anglo oleh protest being formed against the government for still not allowing non-Israelis to enter Israel. Many family members have been unable to come to Israel to be with their children getting married, to be at funerals of relatives, at the birth of grandchildren along with bris or to be there to help the birthing mother, to be with siblings and children who have needed them in difficult and joyous times. While the country continues to open up, this issue seems to be stagnant with nobody in power talking about the possibility of loosening the restrictions and letting these family members in.
My thought it, why can't parents and siblings who want to come for a birth or wedding or funeral or whatever just call themselves students, register in a yeshiva, kollel or educational program for a bit, and come to Israel for their affairs and then leave when ready?
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Mar 16, 2021
Breaking News: Foreign students will be able to return after Pesach
Big news, hot off the press.
By the way, this means that families that wish to travel abroad with children who were not vaccinated (because they cannot be vaccinated at this point) nor got sick with, and recovered from, CoronaVirus, will not be able to travel, as they would not be allowed back in because of the children. Unless they want to come back to Israel and eave their children behind, of course.
See the following announcement, regarding foreign students studying in Israel this. Many have been concerned that if they go back to the USA (or wherever) to be with their extended families for Pesach, they might not be allowed back into Israel after Pesach to continue their studies, as the airport has been only open for returning citizens. It seems arrangements have been made and returning students will be allowed to return. Obviously there are no 100% guarantees of anything, but if the current downward trend of CoronaVirus continues with the upward trend of the vaccinations, it is likely that this should work out well.
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Feb 21, 2021
we just do what we want
There were several articles in the news last week about the various rabbonim who said the yeshivas should not send out, or allow, the boys to go collecting this year for Purim as they do every year, but it should all be done by telephone this year.
Just last night, the beginning of the Purim collecting season, we had 3 different groups of yeshiva boys knock on our door, collecting for their yeshivas "tatim".
Personally I was not giving them enough money to justify tcheppering them with questions as to why they are not listening to the gedolim that said not to go around collecting. I just gave them each a small amount and sent them on their ways.
But they, or at least some, are not listening.
Nothing new. I believe that most of us listen or follow the rules, social, societal, communal, legal, when it is convenient and when not, not. Higher callings and ideology - that is just something we pass the buck on. It is easy to say I am just following orders, this is what the gedolim say, passing responsibility to others. We all, for the most part, just do what we want.
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Feb 10, 2021
Cholent4Vaccines
With the numbers of vaccinated among the Haredi population remaining relatively low, the authorities are trying to figure out ways to encourage people to vaccinate. Ideas are being floated about incentives and punishments, or ramifications of not being vaccinated, and here is the best one yet.
Ariel Elharar, a reporter for Kikar Shabbat, is reporting that the City of Bnei Braq has come up with the winner of a plan to get its local yeshiva bochurim and avreichim to vaccinate.
According to Elharar, the City of Bnei Braq will distribute tomorrow, Thursday, to each yeshiva bochur and avreich getting the vaccine a bag that will include a portion of cholent, a bottle of cola and a roll.
The cola will probably be something like Crystal, so no big deal. But cholent for a vaccine? Will it be pareve cholent or will it include a nice dollop of kishke and a healthy portion of meat? If it is pareve cholent, it might not get the job done. Pareve cholent works in a pinch, but they need to hit a home run for the vaccine exchange.
I knew I should have held off longer...
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Jan 14, 2021
Corona Hotel turned into mixed yeshiva (video)
reports have said this is the Grand Court Hotel in Jerusalem that was converted to a Coronatel (Corona Hotel) for yeshiva bochurim from various yeshivot, both Haredi and Dati Leumi.
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Sep 2, 2020
Interesting Psak: Yeshivas shouldn't test talmidim for Corona
The numbers were bound to skyrocket quickly as the kids went back to school and the boys went back to yeshiva. I don't think anybody did not expect this to happen.
The result of the spiking numbers s an interesting psak by Rav Chaim Kanievsky.
Until now we have heard of individual rosh yeshivas, community rabbis, and Hassidic leaders instructing their students and followers to not get tested, so as to not put the yeshiva or community at risk of being shut down or forced into closure because of too many Corona infections. This approach has been widely criticized, but it has not gone away.
In Professor Roni Gimzu's approach to fighting Corona, known as the traffic light model (approved by the Corona Cabinet this past week), cities will be classified as red, orange, yellow or green, depending on the levels of Corona spreading in the city. Depending on the classification, the city will be treated accordingly with different restrictions, obviously with red having the strictest restrictions. One of the lesser known aspects of the traffic light model is that if a city has too little testing, it gets tagged as red, even with a low number of corona positives - so the approach of "not testing" to avoid detection and classification should not be rewarded.
Rav Chaim Kanievsky today paskened that yeshiva, referring specifically to yeshiva gedolas with dormitories, should no longer get their students tested. Rav Kanievsky explained that the testing causes tremendous bittul torah, with thousands of talmidim who are not at risk being forced into quarantine. Rav Kanievsky has added that this applies to dormitory yeshivas who should stay "closed" until after Yom Kippur, with nobody coming in or out and the boys staying in yeshiva throughout the zman until Yom Kippur including all the Shabbosses (shabbatot). Essentially he is telling them to quarantine all together in the yeshiva without testing, instead of testing and some boys being sent home or to Corona Hotels. Obviously staff members and rebbeim who are in a high risk category should all be careful to keep their distance from the students.
I get his opinion, especially if he is telling them to all basically quarantine in yeshiva anyway. t almost seems harmless, unless you think the yeshivas dont really have a way to control it and stop boys from leaving or coming back. Some probably do and some probably don't,
The bigger question is how this will affect the nation and the decisions to be mad eon further restrictions. I am worried that with no testing in yeshivas, it will have an adverse affect on the decision to be made regarding a closure fo the holidays. They will decide that the numbers are no longer reliable and there is too much unknown. Without a closure all those untested yeshiva boys, many of whom likely have corona or will contract it soon while locked up together will come home after Yom Kippur and on Sukkos will infect their grandparents and uncles and aunts and other at risk family members.
I am concerned that this decision by Rav Kanievsky will almost gaurantee a government decision for a full closure over the holidays.
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Aug 3, 2020
Confusing Complicated CoronaVirus Calculations
I don't think the government makes any necessarily bad decisions about dealing with the CoronaVirus. Confusing decisions, perhaps. Unenforced decisions, perhaps, Contradictory decisions, perhaps. But I would not blame them for bad decisions. There are still, after several months of dealing with it, so many unknowns about the virus and how to beat it. As I have said before, I don't envy anyone responsible for making these decisions. They all trying their best and trying to find the best way to beat the virus and keep it at bay as much as possible - sometimes a decision made isn't as effective as expected, sometimes it is, sometimes the public refuses to cooperate regarding a specific restriction, and sometimes the public cooperates more. And at the same time the government has, and has to have, other considerations to keep in mind as well, such as not destroying the economy any further, allowing people to make a living, etc.
That being said, and perhaps these will go more into the confusing decisions, while the government is trying to get things under control here, they have just approved allowing 17,000 or so foreign yeshiva and seminary students back in to Israel for the upcoming yeshiva year. I am not opposed, but I am confused. Yes, they will be under tight restrictions, and I am sure some yeshivas and seminaries will keep to the rules strictly while others will be more lax about it. Still - the government is having a hard time keeping the virus under control, and now a sudden influx of 17000 foreign students will be added to the mix.
And what happens if, God forbid, some of the foreign students get sick with the virus? Do they have the necessary insurance to get treated here? They likely won't be able to fly home, and their parents won't be able to come here to take care of them - is a process set in how to deal with that? YWN [by now famously] wrote about how difficult this will be because the yeshiva boys need their falafel (yes, taken out of context), though in my day shawarma was more popular than falafel - whether they need their falafel or not, yeshiva boys and girls can always be seen all over Jerusalem (in addition to other cities) - how is that going to change? Will the seminaries provide their students with Shabbos meals now, or will they still send them out to hosts all around the country?
It might very well work, and maybe a proper system is being put in place and the schools will play along. I hope so. And I hope everybody remains or gets healthy.
The other situation that is somewhat confounding is Uman and the Breslavers. I know it is very important to them from a religious perspective. I know it is very important to Ukraine to have the flow of money coming in with the religious tourism. But is it really smart? Ukraine, according to the graphs I saw, have the Covid spread numbers on the rise, though deaths are relatively low and steady right now. First Ukraine said no, and now they are considering allowing several thousand in with some tight restrictions. And then those several thousand people will want to return home, largely to Israel, but to other places as well. So, if Israel also agrees to this, we'll get several thousand more cross contaminated people coming back and mingling...
What will happen if this or that happens? I don't know but I hope someone is planning for different eventualities.
Again, I hope everyone remains healthy, and I understand the need and desire to return to some level of regular behavior and freedoms, yet it still remains complicates and confusing.
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Jul 29, 2020
the spiritual pandemic: the yeshiva boys dropping out of yeshiva (video)
wow!
these young men aren't doing anything bad... but you can't expect much from a bunch of bored kids who have nothing to do...
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Jul 26, 2020
Picture of the Day
That is Rav Moshe Meiselman, Rosh yeshiva of Toras Moshe, speaking to a Knesset Committee today via Zoom regarding the possible return of American yeshiva students.
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Jul 2, 2020
Bloi notices the little Corona changes in yeshiva bochurim
Rav Motka Bloi, Bnei Braq educator and askan for the Degel Hatorah faction of UTJ, is disturbed by the changes in the Haredi wrought by CoronaVirus - changes he says are bad, even devastating.
A lot has been discussed as to how Corona will change us all, by the time it is over. A lot of fuss was made specifically with how it will change the Haredi community, especially in light of the early on lack of rabbinic leadership that made bad decisions that turned out to be harmful to the community. A lot has been written suggesting it would mostly hurt the institution of "daas torah", with banned internet use also being a clear victim.
Bloi points to a number of problems he is already seeing, such as:
- many yeshivas are still closed. As well, yeshiva ketanas that are functioning are generally on a shortened schedule, as they cannot provide food - so the boys start the day at 9:30, 10am instead of at 7, and they finish at 8pm instead of at 9pm. These are a lot of extra hours the boys have no framework to be in. The best of the boys expend their energy going to the Kotel, while the more "chevraman" type might go to Kever Yosef and the like, many regular boys are going on trips such as bike trips along the beach, and many are spending a lot of time on the Internet.
- families are in conflict. normally the boys are mostly out of the house, in yeshivas. Now with the boys home so much, the parents might ask the boys to help with chores around the house. Yet the boy with no schedule might wake up late and when he goes down to shul he forgets to take the garbage out with him, and it leads to friction.
- some boys, even in haredi cities, are busy playing football (soccer) with "problematic" people - at some point the good boys also might take off their shirt and tzitzis - hey, it is hot - and suddenly he isn't the same young man any longer.
source: Kikar
it is the little things. Everyone looks at the big things, but ignore the little things. Bloi is noticing the little changes. The little changes might lead to big changes, for sure, but these little changes are also a big deal for this type of a community.
A lot has been discussed as to how Corona will change us all, by the time it is over. A lot of fuss was made specifically with how it will change the Haredi community, especially in light of the early on lack of rabbinic leadership that made bad decisions that turned out to be harmful to the community. A lot has been written suggesting it would mostly hurt the institution of "daas torah", with banned internet use also being a clear victim.
Bloi points to a number of problems he is already seeing, such as:
- many yeshivas are still closed. As well, yeshiva ketanas that are functioning are generally on a shortened schedule, as they cannot provide food - so the boys start the day at 9:30, 10am instead of at 7, and they finish at 8pm instead of at 9pm. These are a lot of extra hours the boys have no framework to be in. The best of the boys expend their energy going to the Kotel, while the more "chevraman" type might go to Kever Yosef and the like, many regular boys are going on trips such as bike trips along the beach, and many are spending a lot of time on the Internet.
- families are in conflict. normally the boys are mostly out of the house, in yeshivas. Now with the boys home so much, the parents might ask the boys to help with chores around the house. Yet the boy with no schedule might wake up late and when he goes down to shul he forgets to take the garbage out with him, and it leads to friction.
- some boys, even in haredi cities, are busy playing football (soccer) with "problematic" people - at some point the good boys also might take off their shirt and tzitzis - hey, it is hot - and suddenly he isn't the same young man any longer.
source: Kikar
it is the little things. Everyone looks at the big things, but ignore the little things. Bloi is noticing the little changes. The little changes might lead to big changes, for sure, but these little changes are also a big deal for this type of a community.
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Jun 3, 2020
yeshiva boys return to israel delayed
Just two weeks after the Minister of Interior approved a plan that would allow yeshiva bochurim to return to Israel to learn in their yeshivas, while meeting numerous conditions, he is already reversing that decision.
I said then that some of the conditions for this to happen seem very difficult for any yeshiva to be able to comply with.
I guess it was so difficult that even the Ministry of Interior couldn't leave it on the table!
Today the Minister announced that he has reversed the decision effective immediately. No more permits will be given and any already given or in the process will be canceled.
From Deri's letter to the Roshei Yeshiva it seems the reason is out of concern from the recent spike of cases in Israel and the concern of it possibly becoming a dangerous situation here quickly.
The married avreichim with their families will continue to be allowed in as was decided previously. Presumably because the quarantine requirements are easier for them to comply with.
So don't book your tickets back just yet...
I said then that some of the conditions for this to happen seem very difficult for any yeshiva to be able to comply with.I guess it was so difficult that even the Ministry of Interior couldn't leave it on the table!
Today the Minister announced that he has reversed the decision effective immediately. No more permits will be given and any already given or in the process will be canceled.
From Deri's letter to the Roshei Yeshiva it seems the reason is out of concern from the recent spike of cases in Israel and the concern of it possibly becoming a dangerous situation here quickly.
The married avreichim with their families will continue to be allowed in as was decided previously. Presumably because the quarantine requirements are easier for them to comply with.
So don't book your tickets back just yet...
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Dec 3, 2019
yeshiva boys go wild in attack
The various news media, including Haredi media, are reporting about what they call a "pogrom", exacted last night by the boys of a Vizshnitz yeshiva against the boys and dormitory of a neighboring Sefardi yeshiva.
The video is pretty wild:
wow!
The standard comments have already been made in the general media, such as chilul hashem, pogrom, etc, with condemnations by politicians. This morning news reports have the police investigating the matter.
It seems the background to this attack is that the young men in the Sefardi yeshiva have provoked the hassidic boys a number of times by throwing eggs, shouting epitaphs at them as they pass and harassing their Rebbe and throwing things at his car. After another attack in which the Sefardi boys threw bags of water at some of the Hassidic boys, the Hassidic boys decided it was the straw that broke the camels back and it was time to retaliate.
Not to justify how they responded, but some context is always good.
It looks like the type of response Israelis call "baal habayit hishtagea" which basically means the homeowner went crazy and did something extreme just to show the tenant not to mess with him in the future. These guys seem to have responded in that fashion with such an extreme response that those yeshiva boys likely wont mess with them again..
The video is pretty wild:
wow!
The standard comments have already been made in the general media, such as chilul hashem, pogrom, etc, with condemnations by politicians. This morning news reports have the police investigating the matter.
It seems the background to this attack is that the young men in the Sefardi yeshiva have provoked the hassidic boys a number of times by throwing eggs, shouting epitaphs at them as they pass and harassing their Rebbe and throwing things at his car. After another attack in which the Sefardi boys threw bags of water at some of the Hassidic boys, the Hassidic boys decided it was the straw that broke the camels back and it was time to retaliate.
Not to justify how they responded, but some context is always good.
It looks like the type of response Israelis call "baal habayit hishtagea" which basically means the homeowner went crazy and did something extreme just to show the tenant not to mess with him in the future. These guys seem to have responded in that fashion with such an extreme response that those yeshiva boys likely wont mess with them again..
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Nov 17, 2019
yeshiva guys tossed from yeshiva for going to game
According to Behadrei, a group of 5 yeshiva guys from an unnamed yeshiva in Israel recently flew to Spain to go to a football (soccer) game between Barcelona and some other time.
As happens during a game in any sport, the camera pans the crowd. At one point during the game, the camera picked up the group of 5 yeshiva guys. To their dismay, the game was being watched by some people back home, other yeshiva boys who often watch the games in local kiosks, who recognized them. Word got back to the yeshiva and the 5 boys were tossed.
Needless to say, it is unlikely the boys at the game, spotted on camera, were behaving similarly to the way Rav Zeev Leff recently was caught on camera behaving at a game in Scotland, though I haven't seen video of the incident. Not that I think people are expected to go to games and bring a gemara with them - God knows how many Cubs, Bulls and Blackhawks (and yes, also White Sox) games I have gone to without a gemara in tow.
The main issue is pretty obvious. I won't comment on it. Yeshiva boys should be learning, not traveling to games, the army does not give them deferments so they can go to Spain and watch games, blah blah blah.
The funny thing is that they were snitched on and publicized by other guys who were breaking the rules and going out of yeshiva (granted, they did not go as far as Spain) to watch the game... That breaks some sort of bro code, actually any decent human code, in my book..
As happens during a game in any sport, the camera pans the crowd. At one point during the game, the camera picked up the group of 5 yeshiva guys. To their dismay, the game was being watched by some people back home, other yeshiva boys who often watch the games in local kiosks, who recognized them. Word got back to the yeshiva and the 5 boys were tossed.
Needless to say, it is unlikely the boys at the game, spotted on camera, were behaving similarly to the way Rav Zeev Leff recently was caught on camera behaving at a game in Scotland, though I haven't seen video of the incident. Not that I think people are expected to go to games and bring a gemara with them - God knows how many Cubs, Bulls and Blackhawks (and yes, also White Sox) games I have gone to without a gemara in tow.
The main issue is pretty obvious. I won't comment on it. Yeshiva boys should be learning, not traveling to games, the army does not give them deferments so they can go to Spain and watch games, blah blah blah.
The funny thing is that they were snitched on and publicized by other guys who were breaking the rules and going out of yeshiva (granted, they did not go as far as Spain) to watch the game... That breaks some sort of bro code, actually any decent human code, in my book..
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Jul 29, 2019
yeshiva bochur demands woman on bus move to the back and then can't get a shidduch date
Kikar has the story of a 28 year old chassidishe bachur who has been having trouble finding his soulmate. This fellow has been "in shidduchim" for 8 years now but has yet to find success, and says he hardly even gets shidduch recommendations, despite being what he describes as a "normal bachur".
Not only that but he says that he and an entire group of friends are all in the same boat. The entire group of them have been trying for a long time and are all suffering the same difficulties.
Mr Single, Naftali, has a theory. Naftali recalls an incident from 8 years prior in which he was going on a Friday from yeshiva in Bnei Braq to his family in Haifa for Shabbos. His friends were going with him to spend Shabbos with his family. Naftali describes that a woman was sitting in the front section of the bus, behind the driver. he describes her as a 40-something woman.
Naftali says they didn't really have anything to do so they started picking on her and bothering her to move to the back of the bus. They said we are yeshiva bochurim and it is inappropriate for you to sit here in the front. She didn't move her seat and they bothered her the entire ride, taking pictures of her, threatening her to put out pashkevilim about her, etc. He says that she ignored them most of the time and when they got off the bus she started crying.
Naftali says he never saw her again, but since then he and his entire group of friends have had trouble with shidduchim. When he tries to figure out why, this incident always comes to mind. He is concerned this woman might have a "kpeida" on him and his friends and that is causing their difficulties.
He thinks, or so he was told, that the women was a teacher in the "Rapaport" school in Jerusalem, though he is not sure. Either way, he asked that anybody who can help him locate the woman should please call him at 052-706-0840. He wants to apologize for his behavior.
What a story!
I have said before that possibly the worst part about the fights regarding the army draft and the Peleg and whatnot is that young men suddenly feel they can attack, verbally or even physically, older men, rabbonim as well, because they have a different opinion. Even forgetting the fact that this is a woman they harassed demanding she sit in the back of the bus, here you had a group of 20 year olds who felt perfectly fine harassing a woman twice their age. Such tremendous chutzpa.
Besides for that, the other issues are well known, and while it is a shame he only feels the need to apologize because he cant get a date and assumes it is this story in his past that is preventing it, but at least he is trying to apologize. Perhaps that story and how bad he feels because of what he did, will be what causes him to treat people, women and men, with more respect. Also, maybe just like he treated that woman so poorly and disrespectfully, maybe he has a reputation for bad behavior and treating others poorly and disrespectfully. Maybe the issue is bigger than this one incident. Maybe his difficulty is because of a reputation he has developed for himself that others are aware of and stay away from him because he is not a good person (at least by reputation).
Not only that but he says that he and an entire group of friends are all in the same boat. The entire group of them have been trying for a long time and are all suffering the same difficulties.
Mr Single, Naftali, has a theory. Naftali recalls an incident from 8 years prior in which he was going on a Friday from yeshiva in Bnei Braq to his family in Haifa for Shabbos. His friends were going with him to spend Shabbos with his family. Naftali describes that a woman was sitting in the front section of the bus, behind the driver. he describes her as a 40-something woman.
Naftali says they didn't really have anything to do so they started picking on her and bothering her to move to the back of the bus. They said we are yeshiva bochurim and it is inappropriate for you to sit here in the front. She didn't move her seat and they bothered her the entire ride, taking pictures of her, threatening her to put out pashkevilim about her, etc. He says that she ignored them most of the time and when they got off the bus she started crying.
Naftali says he never saw her again, but since then he and his entire group of friends have had trouble with shidduchim. When he tries to figure out why, this incident always comes to mind. He is concerned this woman might have a "kpeida" on him and his friends and that is causing their difficulties.
He thinks, or so he was told, that the women was a teacher in the "Rapaport" school in Jerusalem, though he is not sure. Either way, he asked that anybody who can help him locate the woman should please call him at 052-706-0840. He wants to apologize for his behavior.
What a story!
I have said before that possibly the worst part about the fights regarding the army draft and the Peleg and whatnot is that young men suddenly feel they can attack, verbally or even physically, older men, rabbonim as well, because they have a different opinion. Even forgetting the fact that this is a woman they harassed demanding she sit in the back of the bus, here you had a group of 20 year olds who felt perfectly fine harassing a woman twice their age. Such tremendous chutzpa.
Besides for that, the other issues are well known, and while it is a shame he only feels the need to apologize because he cant get a date and assumes it is this story in his past that is preventing it, but at least he is trying to apologize. Perhaps that story and how bad he feels because of what he did, will be what causes him to treat people, women and men, with more respect. Also, maybe just like he treated that woman so poorly and disrespectfully, maybe he has a reputation for bad behavior and treating others poorly and disrespectfully. Maybe the issue is bigger than this one incident. Maybe his difficulty is because of a reputation he has developed for himself that others are aware of and stay away from him because he is not a good person (at least by reputation).
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Mar 27, 2019
Interesting Psak: no public shaming of yeshiva bachur that doesn't lay tefillin
Kikar paints the image:
some guys in yeshiva, who all share a room together in the dormitory, became curious about their roommate. They had no idea when he ever davened and put on tefillin. He would learn every day until late at night, and go to sleep late. H ewould also wake up late in the morning and miss the davening in the yeshiva. When he would wake up, he would go immediately to the beis medrash to resume learning, but his roommates never saw him daven or put on tefillin. They were disturbed and curious and decided it required more investigation.
They began by asking him directly - when do you daven? He responded that he davens in the dorm room when nobody is there as they are already learning in the beis medrash.
Unable to ever catch him in the act of davening and/or wearing tefillin, they decided to lay a trap. A bit of subterfuge is always fun. They took out his tefillin from their place in the cabiet and tied the straps of the hand tefillin with the straps of the head tefillin. There was now no way for him to put on the tefillin without untying the knots, and thus they would easily be able to check if he had used them or not.
After a week they checked the tefillin again and found them tied exactly the way they had left them. It was clear they had not been touched all week.
They decided this was unacceptable and planned a public shaming of their roommate. They were going to confront him in public and demand answers and the truth.
One of the young men felt this was wrong and changed his mind about participating in this plan. He decided they need to ask if this is halachically ok to do. To that end they sent the question to the dayan Rav Dovid Axelrod. Can they confront and shame him publicly about not davenign and laying his tefillin?
Rav Axelrod responded that it is prohibited to do so and prohibited to continue with the plan as it was devised. They must immediately untie the tefillin straps and rewrap them in the bag the way they normally are. They should then tell the mashgiach of the yeshiva about all this.
Rav Axelrod said they cannot publicly shame him, and doing so is a situation that would cause a risk to his life - it is like dealing with a capital crime. Rav Axelrod said if we would have a sanhedrin today, we would have to convene the full sanhedrin of 71 to decide what to do about this. He cannot be shamed and they cannot even hint to anyone else in the yeshiva about this. Doing so would be pikuach nefesh and would be akin to murder.
Rav Binyamin Chuta also reacted similarly to the question when sent to him. Rav Chuta responded that the tefillin must be rewrapped the way they always are - the concern being that the shame he would experience by the public outing might cause him to leave religion entirely. He should be allowed to continue to learn and hopefully the light experienced in learning torah will bring him back fully.
some guys in yeshiva, who all share a room together in the dormitory, became curious about their roommate. They had no idea when he ever davened and put on tefillin. He would learn every day until late at night, and go to sleep late. H ewould also wake up late in the morning and miss the davening in the yeshiva. When he would wake up, he would go immediately to the beis medrash to resume learning, but his roommates never saw him daven or put on tefillin. They were disturbed and curious and decided it required more investigation.
They began by asking him directly - when do you daven? He responded that he davens in the dorm room when nobody is there as they are already learning in the beis medrash.
Unable to ever catch him in the act of davening and/or wearing tefillin, they decided to lay a trap. A bit of subterfuge is always fun. They took out his tefillin from their place in the cabiet and tied the straps of the hand tefillin with the straps of the head tefillin. There was now no way for him to put on the tefillin without untying the knots, and thus they would easily be able to check if he had used them or not.
After a week they checked the tefillin again and found them tied exactly the way they had left them. It was clear they had not been touched all week.
They decided this was unacceptable and planned a public shaming of their roommate. They were going to confront him in public and demand answers and the truth.
One of the young men felt this was wrong and changed his mind about participating in this plan. He decided they need to ask if this is halachically ok to do. To that end they sent the question to the dayan Rav Dovid Axelrod. Can they confront and shame him publicly about not davenign and laying his tefillin?
Rav Axelrod responded that it is prohibited to do so and prohibited to continue with the plan as it was devised. They must immediately untie the tefillin straps and rewrap them in the bag the way they normally are. They should then tell the mashgiach of the yeshiva about all this.
Rav Axelrod said they cannot publicly shame him, and doing so is a situation that would cause a risk to his life - it is like dealing with a capital crime. Rav Axelrod said if we would have a sanhedrin today, we would have to convene the full sanhedrin of 71 to decide what to do about this. He cannot be shamed and they cannot even hint to anyone else in the yeshiva about this. Doing so would be pikuach nefesh and would be akin to murder.
Rav Binyamin Chuta also reacted similarly to the question when sent to him. Rav Chuta responded that the tefillin must be rewrapped the way they always are - the concern being that the shame he would experience by the public outing might cause him to leave religion entirely. He should be allowed to continue to learn and hopefully the light experienced in learning torah will bring him back fully.
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