Showing posts with label conversion. Show all posts
Showing posts with label conversion. Show all posts

Feb 17, 2025

What NOT To Say To a Jewish Convert (video)








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Aug 30, 2023

Religious Jews Why is it so difficult to convert to Judaism? (video)








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Jan 9, 2023

the Lebanese groom divorces his wife, just in case

We have not heard form the Lebanese groom in a while. To remind you, Eliyahu Hawila from Lebanon living in the USA posed as a Jew while he became frum, though he was not actually Jewish. Hawila met a nice frum girl form the Syrian community and they dated and married. her family shortly thereafter discovered his real identity and that he is not Jewish and chased him out of town. Hawila went soul searching, I guess, and actually discovered that he is Jewish, as a maternal grandmother a few generations back was Jewish and married a Muslim, and the generations of daughters since had lived as Muslims but were actually Jewish, making him Jewish. this discovery made things even more complicated because, if true, his wife would now need a gett, an official halachic divorce paper and not just a civil divorce. 

Hawila wanted to reconcile and because he was actually Jewish, in at least his opinion, he wanted to stay married and it would not be a problem with her Syrian community as he is not a convert. A beis din supposedly did the research and actually discovered it to be true, he is Jewish, but to erase any shadow of a doubt he did a conversion lchumra.

The story has made it into the news once again. 

The lady's family filed for annulment in the beis din of the Rabbanut of Tel Aviv. The family claimed because he was a Muslim at the time of the wedding the marriage was null and void and no divorce should be needed. The beis din did their own research and also discovered he is actually Jewish, or at least there is a strong possibility of that being so. The Rabbanut beis din decided that because of the possibility he might have been Jewish all along, they cannot approve of the dissolution of the marriage without a gett. 

To that end, the beis din put a restraining order on Hawila preventing him from leaving Israel until he would grant the divorce to his wife.

It took several months, but Hawila has now granted his wife the divorce. She is finally rid of him. The crazy story has finally come to an end. At least until he dupes another Jewish girl into marrying him.








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Aug 22, 2022

curiosities in Jerusalem

Hamechadesh has two pieces that are curiosities that seemed interesting and quirky enough to point out

1. Yoelish Krausz, known as the Operations Officer (kambatz) of the Eida Hachareidish is already busy building his sukka. Even for the people who build early to add mitzvas before Yom Kippur don't start this early.


When asked why he started so early, Krausz explained that the City of Jerusalem is about to publish a statute of some sort that will not allow anyone to build a sukka in public areas - no sukkas in streets. And the old joke of "you have 7 days to remove it" isnt going to happen - people who do will be subject to fins and the sukkas will be dismantled right away and confiscated. He thinks that by building it in advance he will be grandfathered in and will be able to keep it up during sukkos.

I wonder if he also plans to leave it up for future years just because he is grandfathered in and will just leave it there all the time...

If true, that will negatively affect many people in Jerusalem who have very small porches or even no open porch at all. So many people build their sukkas out in the streets.

2. Eli Hawala, the Lebanese avreich who wasnt Jewish but then claimed to be and now may be in the conversion lchumra process was spotted at a demonstration in the Shimon Hatzaddik (aka Shiekh Jarrach) neighborhood of Jerusalem.


When approached Hawala said "Likud - Bibi, the king of Israel!"

I guess he has found his place in Israel...






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Jun 12, 2022

Rabbanut proposal to Lebanese avreich

the story that keeps on giving... 

remember Eli Hawila, the Lebanese avreich that got married and then his wife's family discovered he was not even Jewish? And then he discovered he had been Jewish all along but did a conversion lchumra?

There is a new development in his situation.

According to Kikar, Hawila appeared before the beis din of the Rabbanut in Israel. Hawila insisted he is Jewish and has been Jewish all along, descended from Jewish women, and that after the incident with his wife he performed a conversion lchumra in the USA.

The Rabbanut beis din proposed that he divorce his wife lchumra - just in case, just in case he really was Jewish all along.

Hawila reportedly refused saying he was and is Jewish and his conversion is only lchumra, so he was and remains married to his wife.


It looks like we might have an aguna situation developing before our eyes. Hopefully it wont become that.

Hawila says that his wife has agreed to remain married to him if he could prove he is Jewish, even though her family disagrees.

The Rabbanut left him with two options for now - either divorce her or have another wedding lchumra (if she agrees) just in case he was not Jewish and the conversion is good.

I wonder how that works as the Syrian comunity has ane dict against marrying converts. This wedding, should it happen, would be in case he is a convert, but if he is, she would not be allowed to marry him. I wonder if this is a situation in which the community rabbis would allow it despite the edict or if they would disallow it unless he is considered born-a-jew and not a convert.

We wait for further updates








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Apr 26, 2022

Lebanese Jew/Convert in Israel now (video)

this story gets weirder and weirder, though I am happy to see his more confident now and less like a nebuch






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Apr 4, 2022

Is Hawil a Jew or not a Jew?

Remember the Lebanese fellow, Eliyahu Hawil, posing as a Jew who married a Syrian lady from NY until it was discovered he is not Jewish and that just blew everything up? Well, we thought the story was behind us but now it is all blown up once again.

Various outlets are now reporting that a rabbi, Rav Avraham Reich, has doen some research and discovered that Eliyahu Hawil, the chosson of the story above, is actually Jewish, as his mother, and her mother, and her mother, were all Jewish, despite being married to Muslims in Lebanon. Hawil spent time in Rabbi Reich's community and has undergone a giyur lechumra - a conversion lechumra, just in case, to remove any possible doubt. Rabbi Reich did not convert Hawil but witnessed the conversion performed by a beis din.

I heard Rabbi Reich speak about this in an interview on the Zev Brenner show called Talkline. Very interesting and a strange twist to the story. it is hard to believe that this fellow is already Jewish, considering he never mentioned it at the time and was clearly being deceptive and lying, but even if it is not true, he has now undergone a conversion, just in case. So he is Jewish now, regardless of whether the findings of the research into his family is accurate or not


What a mess. If he was already Jewish, the original marriage was valid. If she refuses to take him back, he will have to give her a divorce, a gett. Hopefully, if that's what she wants, he wont refuse and make her an aguna. If he wasn't Jewish, she remains legally divorced (if they went through a legal divorce) and no gett is needed. If they do not get back together, I assume a gett will be required lechumra, just in case.

Such a weird story, a weird situation. I am not sure how he will make it into Adam Sandler's next version of the Hanukkah song - will he be listed as a Jew or as not a Jew or as a maybe Jew?



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Dec 14, 2021

the non-Jewish yeshiva bachur

Remember the story of the Lebanese avreich? How could anyone forget? The news was a splash when it broke. A young man from Lebanon spent years posing as a Jew, and eventually even married a frum young woman, only to be discovered a week later as being a fraud.

I didn't like how sanctimonious some people were at the time, saying that this shows how Israel's more centralized system is necessary and in the USA without a centralized system, anything goes and someone can get away with this type of a thing. This was used to show how the coming reforms in Israel to decentralize the systems and change the way the Rabbanut functions will be dangerous to the Jewish community and open it up to similar situations as to what happened with thee Lebanese avreich, Eli Hawila.

Well, it happened in Israel too. Not exactly the same. not intentional fraud by the young man, but pretty similar. A form of fraud by the young man's mother.

According to Kikar and other Haredi news media sites, a young man, a top student in an excellent yeshiva, in shidduchim discovered that his mother isn't Jewish (though the father is), ergo neither is he. His parents had made aliya from the Ukraine some years ago and she never underwent a conversion and never told anyone until now that she is not Jewish, and only told him now because of the shidduch situation.

The young man was devastated to discover this information and went to tell his rav in yeshiva about this. the rebbi from the yeshiva went to the Chief Rabbi, Rav Yitzchak Yosef, to relate the situation and to request that a solution be found quickly so things will calm down and people can move on.

Rav Yitzchak Yosef decided, obviously, that the young man needs a conversion if he wants to be Jewish, but he told the relevant people in the conversion system to make it a speedy one - I guess he already knows the material and lifestyle so he doesnt need to spend a year or two studying for it and absorbing the culture. 

The young man has started the conversion process now and will return to yeshiva and shidduchim when it has been completed.

What a devastating thing to discover. Flips your entire world around. For him it was obvious immediately to go through a conversion, though I am not sure everyone would be so quick to make the same decision upon a similar discovery. Honestly, I sometimes wonder what I would do in that situation.

Why speed it up for him but make it so difficult for others, including the Lebanese Hawila in the USA? Because this young man was not defrauding anyone. he claimed to be Jewish because he thought he was. He wasnt knowingly passing himself off as someone else, and he is not a newbie coming to learn a new religion. he knows it all already and wants the lifestyle, so there is no reason to drag it out.

All that being said, the mother fooled the centralized system and the entire community and yeshiva and raised this young man to be the best boy in the yeshiva despite not even being Jewish. It can happen even in a centralized system with the Rabbanut controlling the books, not just in the free for all of America.







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Dec 7, 2021

GoFundHawila

This is rich!

Remember the Lebanese Avreich that turned out to not even be Jewish? And then he told his sob story claiming he just got caught up in a web of lies he couldn't get out of, he had to keep making up lies to explain away things because of his previous lies, and he didnt know how to get out of the cycle...

Well, now he is appealing to the masses with a GoFundMe page. he wants the public to fund his travel to Israel and living expenses so that he can study for conversion to Judaism. Hawila is looking to raise $10,000.

Give, don't give, that's up to you, but I have better things to give to...






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Nov 14, 2021

The Other Side of the Story

By now you surely must have heard about the story in New York of a Lebanese Muslim posing as a Jew having learned in a Chabad yeshiva and even marrying a frum woman in New York until his identity was discovered.

Behadrei brings a report from Zeev Brenner on Talkline (I have not heard the interview yet) who got the other side of the story! Brenner interviewed Eliyahu Hawil (obviously not his real first name).

Hawil says that hisfather was very connected to Islam, but his mother was not, and while he grew up being taught to hate Israel and Jews, he never connected to Islam and doesnt consider himself a Muslim. Hawil says his father still lives in Lebanon (though he has US citizenship) but his mother lives in Texas. Hawil has no Palestinian friends and has no connection to Islam, never goes to the mosque (and has never been, which might be hard to believe).  he says he was curious about Judaism and did some research and connected to it when he found the Tanach. He says he learned Hebrew by himself while in Lebanon.

He liked what he discovered about Judaism and wanted to connect to it. He went to Chabad and told them his mother is Jewish (even though she is not) and that's basically the story - from there one thing led to another...

He was acting like a Jew while in Lebanon and was getting threats. When he went to the USA, he first went to a Reform temple but they rejected him, as he was from Lebanon, so after that he decided to just tell people that he is Jewish. Once that was his story, he basically just kept going and couldn't back down, even when he was dating and made up more stories to explain away other things, like why his family was not connected, why he was alone, etc....

Poor kid. I guess from here, if he is really serious and telling the truth now, he'll probably try to go through a conversion, which should not be too difficult. I wonder if his lies until now will prevent him from converting, sort of as a knas or punishment. .






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Aug 23, 2021

The Palestinian From Gaza Who Converted to Judaism (video)







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Aug 11, 2021

Rabbinic conference statements on kashrut and conversion reforms

the Chief Rabbinate along with associated rabbis and religious councils, led by Chief Rabbis Rav Dovid Lau and Rav Yitzchak Yosef, gathered today for a conference to discuss the proposed reforms in the kashrut and conversion systems.

Kikar reports on some of what was discussed at the conference. I personally find the conclusions the most interesting part. 

1. Regarding the kashrut reforms, they concluded with a statement that the Rabbis of Israel announce that they will instruct anyone who follows their instruction not to rely on any kashrut given according to this plan, as it will present a stumbling block to the public

2. Regarding conversions they concluded with a statement saying that this reality, of taking the conversion system out of the hands of the Chief Rabbinate, will cause a division of separate communities, with the need to create a "sefer yuchsin" and conversions performed by anyone other than the Rabbanut will not be recognized by the rabbis of Israel.

Interesting statements. 

Regarding the kashrut statement, the Haredim dont listen to the Rabbanut and have all their own hechshers anyway. For now they base it on the Rabbanut but will have no problem functioning without. The masorati and secular dont care about the Rabbanut. They'll see the food is kosher by a different organization and will be fine with that. Many among the Dati Leumi follow the Rabbanut, but will they stop eating the Haredi hechshers because the Rabbanut is no longer? Many Dati Leumi will already eat Tzohar hechsher, along with the Haredi hechshers and many don't even rely on plain Rabbanut. I am not sure their statement, or threat, is quite as strong as they make it out to be.

Regarding the conversion statement, which I think is potentially a more significant issue, they already do not recognize conversions performed by organizations other than the Rabbanut, so this is not much of a change. Even the beis din of Rav Nissim Karelitz, an extremely prestigious beis din, was not recognized by the Rabbanut for conversions.





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Aug 2, 2021

conversion to Judaism through sports accomplishments

After Artem Dolgopyat won the gold medal yesterday representing Israel in the Olympics, his mother made a dramatic statement that caused a bit of a ruckus.

Artem's mother announced that while Artem is being celebrated as a national hero, he would not be able to get married in Israel as he is not Jewish. She publicized that Artem's father is Jewish but she, his mother, is not. Because Artem is not Jewish, he cannot get married in Israel as there is no arrangement for civil marriage here. He and his girlfriend would need to travel abroad to get married.

This caused a bit of a buzz. A national hero, someone has contributed so much to Israel and national pride but we won't consider him Jewish?

The correct answer, I think, is yes, we won't consider him Jewish. Being a good person, bringing in a gold medal, serving in the army is not a form of conversion. If he is not Jewish,he is not Jewish. We don't consider people Jewish just because they did good things for Israel. Maybe it can give special consideration in streamlining the process and not being overly burdensome, but it does not give us the right to just say ok, we'll consider you Jewish.

However, someone like this should be encouraged to convert and the process should not be made difficult for him. His comes form a long line of Jews on his father's side. He is zera yisrael. And if he does not want to convert, he does not need to. Israel should offer some form of civil marriage. Israel has many non-Jewish and non-Muslim citizens, and they need to be able to function and carry on normal lifecycle events and daily activities. Civil marriage could be restricted to non-Jews, if people are worried about what it might cause to the Jewish community and the institution of halachic marriage and potential mamzerus, but these thousands of Israeli citizens need their basic rights to be met.


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Aug 1, 2021

Interesting Psak: Conversion Fraud

Kipa brings an interesting psak of the Higher Conversion Court regarding conversion fraud.

We have all heard the stories, at least the ones that made the news, in recent years where a beis din in Israel, generally the beis din of the Chief Rabbinate, invalidated a conversion retroactively claiming the convert, or potential convert, had defrauded the conversion court and had never really intended to keep the Torah and mitzvos or never believed and therefore the original conversion did not take effect.

A couple of Ethiopian couples, of the Falash Mura tribe, claimed to be part of the Beta Israel community and using the applied Law of Return moved to Israel where they then converted as per the requirements of the Chief Rabbinate conversion court.

The problem is they did this under false identities.

So they converted, and maybe (or maybe not) were even honest in their conversion about their desire to connect with the Jewish people, but the entire premise the operation was based on was false. They did not qualify to come to Israel under the Law of Return, they were not descendants of Beta Israel members, they were not who they said they were. 

the beis din, upon discovering the fraud, decided to revoke the conversion because they had not actually qualified under the Law of Return and should not have qualified to even appear before the beis din to convert. Additionally, they clearly were not being honest, which is a requirement of conversion. They had also presented themselves as brothers and sisters but continued living with each other after conversion and did not marry (I am not clear how they came presenting themselves as couple but also as brothers and sisters but living as married people). The beis din revoked the conversions of all four people based on their fraud.

The four de-converts then appealed to the Beis Din Hagadol requesting that the original conversion be reaffirmed, despite the fraud. After much deliberation, the dayanim Rav Eliezer Igra, Rav Shlomo Shapira and Rav Tzvi Ben Yaakov decided to accept their appeal and declare their conversion valid and they as halachic Jews, with no ability to invalidate their conversion.

The dayanim stated they they are not taking lightly the fraud employed by the converts and recommended the State take action against them with even serious criminal sanctions for defrauding the State in use of the Law of Return and also in defrauding the beis din, and to that end instructed the beis din to inform the police and the prosecutor's office as to what happened and to open an investigation.

I wonder if this means even clear fraud cannot invalidate a conversion - once done, it is done and is final - or if the beis din hagadol determined that while they used fraud to qualify as potential converts the conversion itself was honest and they really intended to be Jews. This distinction would make a difference moving forward...



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Mar 2, 2021

The Supreme Court is deciding for a secular State, not a halachic one

People are upset about the Supreme Court decision regarding conversions, but there seems to be a misunderstanding.

The Supreme Court is not taking a halachic position.

Also, the Supreme Court was filling a void, as the Knesset failed to legislate the matter for the past 13 years, yet it was "discriminating" acceptance of conversions based on political decisions without legislation. That can't happen, and the Supreme Court, after waiting for many years, finally said if the Knesset is not going to legislate the matter, we will. And, the Law of Return already accepted non-Jews, as being Jewish is not a requirement of the Law of Return. The Law of Return accepts immigration to Israel if one has a  single Jewish grandparent, and thousands upon thousands of non-Jews have immigrated to Israel over the years based on that.

That being said, I don't think anyone is surprised by the decision, but many are angry. The thing is, the State of Israel is a secular state. it is not a State based on halacha and Torah, even with many religious and/or traditional citizens. It is a secular State based on secular law and secular society.

It always amuses me when people somehow expect secular politicians and a secular legal system to act according to religion, and get upset when they do not. For political reasons the secular politicians at times find it prudent to "throw bones" to the religious, or to consider the religious position when legislating or setting policy, but in general they are secular, think secular and are building secular society. They will do secular things, and will prefer secular things, except when it is not politically prudent. There is no reason to get angry or surprised when a secular State sets secular policy - that is to be expected. Until there is a halachic State in the Land of Israel, there is no reason to expect or even demand that they follow the halacha.

The Supreme Court is not deciding Reform converts are Jewish. The Supreme Court is saying that because you didn't legislate the matter, you have to equally recognize State-processed converts and privately converted converts.

Don't get upset when Netanyahu or Gantz or Biton or Akunis or Steinitz or whoever eats treif food, desecrates Shabbos, talks to the Reform, etc  -they are secular Jews running a secular State. If they choose not to, it is for political considerations, but we can't expect better of them, because these are not their values.

And one more thing, people used to say the Reform should not get angry that they are legislated against or when policy is set against them. They say, if they want power, they should love here in greater numbers and attain the necessary power. Looks like this is happening now. The Reform are increasing their power. And it has been happening on the watch of the religious/Haredi powers.

So, if the decision stands, people will have to pay attention to whom they marry and look into their background. Just like everywhere else in the world.

If you cannot figure out how to function in a non-halachic State, found one.




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Quote of the Day

No rav will listen to the Supreme Court. The halacha does not recognize it, and the Supreme Court can't change the halacha

  -- former Chief Rabbi of Ramat Gan Rav Yaakov Ariel

Rav Ariel is right. But if the Supreme Court decision stands as is, it will simply become a decentralized system more like it is in other countries - the Reform will do their conversions and the Orthodox will not recognize such converts as Jewish, and the State will. That is the way it works everywhere else, and, again - if the decision stands, is how it will end up working here. The Supreme Court decision will not cause the Orthodox to recognize Reform converts as Jewish




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MK Pindrus is opposed to IDF conversion system (video)

I have yet to fully understand the position of the Haredi parties with the State and the Rabbanut. On the one hand they support it and want the law to only allow Rabbanut and State conversions (probably in part because it is at least somewhat controlled by them..) but then talk against conversions performed by that very system...






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Mar 1, 2021

Supreme Court decision on conversions

the Supreme Court decision regarding the acceptance of private conversions, seemingly opening the door for Reform conversions to be accepted in Israel, was not unexpected. What is interesting is more on the side of the various reactions to it, rather than the decision itself.

Everyone is blaming everyone.

The Haredi parties are the most upset, obviously. They are super upset at the Court, but also at the Likud for being in charge for the past 13 years and knowing this was coming to a head but never moving forward with legislation on the matter and never allowing the Haredi parties to advance the issue.

The Likud is upset at the Court, saying this decision will hurt the Law of Return, but their anger seems half-hearted to me.

Smotritch is blaming the Haredim for dragging their feet for so long and not pushing legislation, thus letting this happen.

Some are upset at Gideon Saar for not yet condemning the Court decision.

Labor is not upset but is taking credit saying that Rabbi Gilad Kariv and his peers have fought for this for a long time and are now seeing the fruits of their efforts.

this is going to cause chaos and the anger won't go away so quickly. This will likely feature as a main focal point in a number of election campaigns in the coming weeks...




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Jan 13, 2021

Supreme Court on conversion could hand Haredi parties an easy electoral campaign

The Supreme Court rejected the government request to delay a decision on the Conversion Bill until after the elections, to give the 24th Knesset a chance to finally legislate the matter. The Court indicated it will give its decision prior to the upcoming elections.

The Conversion Bill is controversial and worrying to some. It is a decision to be made by the Supreme Court (due to lack of legislation) regarding the application of the Law of Return to people who converted to Judaism through non-Orthodox channels.

This issue has been bouncing between the government and the courts for 15 years already. "Who is a Jew" has held the status quo of only Orthodox conversions for a long time now, and nobody knows if the Supreme Court will abandon that status quo and order recognition of non-Orthodox conversions or if they will uphold it. 

I think the Haredi parties are in a pretty good position in these elections. Their campaign is being handed to them ion a silver platter. They are going to have this easy campaign on defending Judaism against those who would harm it. They have the issues of the Draft Law, the Conversion Bill, the government shutting shuls and yeshivas (due to Corona) - which they might not want to use, Shabbos observance in the public sphere, and others.

Such a campaign might only draw small numbers of people form other sectors who want to defend Judaism against this attack, but it will almost definitely rally the Haredi community to vote for the Haredi parties. Polls show that some increasing percentage of Haredim are looking to other parties, but a good campaign on these issues could easily draw many of them back.





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Jul 22, 2020

Philippine mother and son converts eviction order frozen

Remember the story of the mother and son converts who were originally from the Philippines? They had received eviction orders and were to be sent back tot he Philippines, due to overstaying visas and all sorts of technical mishaps with their appeals.

So here is an update:

Yesterday, according to Channel 12 News, the Ministry of Interior announced that the decision has been made and is final - the mother and son will be banished form Israel within 45 days.

Of course nothing is final until it actually happens, and even then it still isn't always final...

Less than 45 minutes later Minister of the Interior Aryeh Deri announced that he is freezing the orders to send them home. According to Deri this situation will remain frozen until after the Corona period is over, whenever that will be, if ever, and only then will he review the case and make a decision.

So little Moshe Dovid gets to stay in Israel for the foreseeable future!




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