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Mar 9, 2012
Just Saying: The Year In Israel
If parents could see (see, not just be told a few stories) how their sons, whom they sent away to Israel to learn Torah for a year and to experience Israel, behave on Purim with no supervision from their yeshivot, I am pretty sure the "year in Israel" would no longer exist.
Just saying..
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Not that I'm condoning this activity, in fact, I don't drink on purim my self, and didn't when I was in yeshiva in Israel, but wouldn't they be doing this if they were in the states as well?
even if some would be drinking or getting drunk in America (or wherever they are from), I dont think the level of wildness and hefkeirus that we see from them here is how they would be behaving in the USA. I have seen yeshiva guys in the US get drunk at Purim parties, but it is nothing like what goes on in their unsupervised year in Israel.
Our Rabbi in Toronto once issued a Psak in shul, that it was the sole discretion of the parents if a child should be drinking on Purim. One was not permitted to provide alcohol, to the kids going around collecting Tzedaka.
Purim was set up to be holiday of focusing on giving and thinking about others. In the days leading up to Purim, we had Tzdaka collectors coming between 9:30 & 11:00 pm. We actually put a rule in place anyone collecting money after 9:30 would get nothing. I couldn't help but to wonder as to how this has become a selfish holiday for so many people.
In my year at Yeshiva, I ended up at my Rosh Yeshiva's house as Purim ended. He made an announcement that it was passed Shkiyah and anyone still drinking was doing it for their own selfishness and that there was no Mitzvah. Perhaps the Yeshiva's should start being a little more clear as to what they expect from their students on Purim.
it is the lack of supervision coupled with the fact that they are not local and feel less constrained by the norms of society (parallel to the behavior of Israelis when abroad).
And what about the yeshivos who rent cars for their bochurim to come here on Purim. Their less than pure drunkenness at a time when there is no inyan to drink is highly dangerous and quite disturbing to those who wish to really celebrate Purim.
The wandering around the streets and jumping on cars created a hazard that could have Chas v'sholom ended in tragedy.
I charge these roshei yeshiva to exhibit a little more control.
anon - I dont think I noticed anything too different. i think I noticed less vomiting in the streets, but the kids seemed a little bit wilder. overall it si pretty similar from year to year.
I guess this years set of parents is just as clueless as last years
If anyone knows the Rosh Yeshiva of Afula, please tell him that above all others, his bochrim behaved like repulsive, disrespectful, hideous drunkem goyim this year. Their costumes were inappropriate, they were breaking glasses and vomitting in the street until at least 2.00am and terrifying small children by holding up their parents cars while delivering shalach manos. Totally and completely unacceptable.They were even given cars to drive. Under the influence!
If they were driving drunk they should be arrested and charged. A few dozen arrests for DUI on purim should help I think. Yes I kind of think sometimes people need to get dopeslapped hard to change their ways.
I agree with ABlock. No year in Israel and instead state university in the US with all night keggers, no supervision, and drunken parties available any night of the week. At least after a year in Israel there is hope that they achieve some spiritual gains.
Not that I'm condoning this activity, in fact, I don't drink on purim my self, and didn't when I was in yeshiva in Israel, but wouldn't they be doing this if they were in the states as well?
ReplyDeleteeven if some would be drinking or getting drunk in America (or wherever they are from), I dont think the level of wildness and hefkeirus that we see from them here is how they would be behaving in the USA.
ReplyDeleteI have seen yeshiva guys in the US get drunk at Purim parties, but it is nothing like what goes on in their unsupervised year in Israel.
Our Rabbi in Toronto once issued a Psak in shul, that it was the sole discretion of the parents if a child should be drinking on Purim. One was not permitted to provide alcohol, to the kids going around collecting Tzedaka.
ReplyDeletePurim was set up to be holiday of focusing on giving and thinking about others. In the days leading up to Purim, we had Tzdaka collectors coming between 9:30 & 11:00 pm. We actually put a rule in place anyone collecting money after 9:30 would get nothing. I couldn't help but to wonder as to how this has become a selfish holiday for so many people.
In my year at Yeshiva, I ended up at my Rosh Yeshiva's house as Purim ended. He made an announcement that it was passed Shkiyah and anyone still drinking was doing it for their own selfishness and that there was no Mitzvah. Perhaps the Yeshiva's should start being a little more clear as to what they expect from their students on Purim.
it is the lack of supervision coupled with the fact that they are not local and feel less constrained by the norms of society (parallel to the behavior of Israelis when abroad).
ReplyDeleteWhat did you see unusual this year from the past?
ReplyDeleteAnd what about the yeshivos who rent cars for their bochurim to come here on Purim. Their less than pure drunkenness at a time when there is no inyan to drink is highly dangerous and quite disturbing to those who wish to really celebrate Purim.
ReplyDeleteThe wandering around the streets and jumping on cars created a hazard that could have Chas v'sholom ended in tragedy.
I charge these roshei yeshiva to exhibit a little more control.
anon - I dont think I noticed anything too different. i think I noticed less vomiting in the streets, but the kids seemed a little bit wilder. overall it si pretty similar from year to year.
ReplyDeleteI guess this years set of parents is just as clueless as last years
If anyone knows the Rosh Yeshiva of Afula, please tell him that above all others, his bochrim behaved like repulsive, disrespectful, hideous drunkem goyim this year. Their costumes were inappropriate, they were breaking glasses and vomitting in the street until at least 2.00am and terrifying small children by holding up their parents cars while delivering shalach manos. Totally and completely unacceptable.They were even given cars to drive. Under the influence!
ReplyDeleteIf they were driving drunk they should be arrested and charged. A few dozen arrests for DUI on purim should help I think. Yes I kind of think sometimes people need to get dopeslapped hard to change their ways.
ReplyDeleteI agree with ABlock.
ReplyDeleteNo year in Israel and instead state university in the US with all night keggers, no supervision, and drunken parties available any night of the week.
At least after a year in Israel there is hope that they achieve some spiritual gains.
I've seen worse partying from teenagers in highschool making their rounds to the chabad houses, than bochurim in Israel.
ReplyDeleteI think you over estimate how people behave in general.