Jun 25, 2015

"No parks for Haredim"

The Kiryat Yovel neighborhood in Jerusalem is one undergoing change, and a battle. It is an old secular neighborhood in which many Haredi families have been moving in in recent years.

The change in demographics, and therefore the resulting change in the styles and views, in the neighborhood had led to off and on fighting between the communities and their supporters..

According to Ladaat, a recent period of quiet in Kiryat Hayovel has come to an end.

After some recent municipal approvals of Haredi institutions (they are described as illegal institutions, whatever that means) in the neighborhood, their opponents have filed a petition to prevent the City from allocating parks to the local Haredi community in Kiryat Hayovel. They also want the local Haredim moved to other nearby Haredi neighborhoods, such as Bayit Vegan.

They are calling for transfer. Sounds like Rabbi Kahane, but against Haredim. So I guess it is ok.

But it is the park situation that really caught my attention. As long as there are Haredim living in the neighborhood, they deserve parks for their kids just as much as anybody else. The call for no parks for Haredim makes no sense and is probably a crime against humanity.

But even more confusing to me is the call to not allocate parks for Haredim.

Are parks now denominational? Every part of the city, of each neighborhood, should have parks for kids. However the city planners plan parks, whether it is a park every x number of meters, or a park for every x number of families, or whatever formula they use, they should continue to use the same formula.

Are parks now denominational? A park is allocated for Haredim or for secular? Can a Haredi child not play in a secular park? Can a secular child not play in a Haredi park?

What does that even mean to not allocate parks for Haredim? There are parks in the neighborhood, and there might be new ones, and all kids can play in all of them. Are there rules who can enter which park? Is there segregation in the parks of Kiryat Hayovel?

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  1. First, how do you do a population transfer like this?
    Second, are you surprised? Given the activities of the zealots in the Chareidi community the fear from the non-Chareidim is that they will show up and find a big mechitzah down the middle of the park and have their kids bullied out because they're not dressed tznius. Besides, why should Chareidim need parks? Being in a park means they're not sitting and learning and sitting and learning is why they can't do army. So they don't need parks.

    1. Your hatred has no bounds. G-d help you.

    2. Sorry Jason, the last comment was meant to be sarcastic and a continuation of the previous ones based on stereotypical observations by Chilonim.

  2. I know very well. First hand. I live in bet Shemesh don't forget.
    The difference is that in bet Shemesh the opponents to haredim moving in don't make demands like move them out our don't give them schools and parks. The demands here are more equitable division of housing in the future neighborhoods, don't move new families in until adeqadequate infrastructure is in place, etcetc.

    TThe claims in kiryat Hayovel seem ridiculous, discriminatory and illegal.

    The women need parks, not the men. Even if what you say comes to fruition, and it probably will at some point, they still need parks like anyone else

  3. I can't remember if it was a former City Councillor or Deputy Minister had explained this to me. I appreciate if anyone can correct if there is anything I misunderstood.

    Before a new neighbourhood is built, it needs to be declared how religous the neighbourhood is going to be. That declaration determines which zoning regulation go into effect. There is a certain amount of space allocated for community needs. A Haredi neighbourhood needs lots of land for shuls and mikvahs while a hiloni neighbourhood has that land allocated for parks. DTL communties get a mixture of both.

    RBS A was not designated as a religious neighbourhood. As such it was built with lots of parks, while the shuls were built later and in many cases (especially when I arrived almost 7 years ago) incomplete

    Parks are technically non-denominational. However they are higher priority in some neighbourhoods than others.


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