The event was a kiddush Hashem. An entire community, hundreds of thousands of people, demonstrating that they are interested in contributing to society by learning Torah even though others don't agree that it is necessary and that they all benefit from it. What an honor.

Baloney. You can contribute to society with Torah even if you go to the army. But they fail to contribute to the army, which they themselves agree is necessary and benefit from. Why should other people put theirs and their children's lives at risk, and not charedim?

The event, like other mass 'don't do this' events, was a kiddush Hashem. Mass events against the TV, cellphones, the internet, smartphones, unfiltered internet are all kiddush Hashems because they set the limit at the time. Everyone knows there are exceptions, and everyone knows that culture is making a shift, that warrants events like this. More and more Haredim are already going to the army, technical studies, and the general workforce, so the gedolim need to give them some strength.
The event was not against the army or the draft, but rather the forced Lapid-Bayit Yehudi draft.

Nonsense. They say over and over again about how the whole rally was to drive home the point that serving in the IDF is assur. Why do you refuse to take them at their word?

It happens to be a chiyuv- not a zechut, not a mitzvah, but a chiyuv halakhah- to serve in the military. Having a "don't do this" event for a chiyuv is, indeed, a bizayon hatorah and chillul hashem.

RBS Resident, if you really think it's possible to contribute to society with Torah even if you go to the army, then you should know that a fuller Torah contribution can be done by spending more time learning and less in the army. And the idea that "Why should other people put theirs and their children's lives at risk, and not charedim?" can only be said by someone who doesn't think about how an army functions. Not everyone in the army is at risk of harm. Plenty of people do very safe support roles far from any risk or danger. If you would really see torah learning as being as valuable and as supportive as any other army role you would see how lacking your accusation is.

I never said that Torah LEARNING is as valuable and as supportive as any other army role. It's not, and you won't find any Rishon saying that it is.

Sure, not everyone in the army is at great risk. But everyone in the army is putting themselves out to a great degree - it's very hard work - and a lot of people are at risk. The charedi community, as a community, refuses to share in that sacrifice and risk. Why should they be exempt? Why should they not have a debt to those who make a sacrifice that they refuse to make?

RBS resident:
What then did you mean when you wrote "You can contribute to society with Torah"??

This isn't the forum for a discussion, but of course we see the importance of Torah in relation to the army. See the bottom of Megilla 3a. While a superficial look at that gemara might lead one to say the opposite, "See they were in the army and learned," that's false. The rebuke is because of too much bitul torah. Since the claim to remove the yeshiva exemption is not based on what the army may or may not need, but on other societal goals (homogenized society, a fight against poverty, etc), the rebuke given to Yehoshua is relevant.

People learning are also "putting themselves out to a great degree" just in a manner that you don't see as being as valuable as non-combat military roles. This "as a community" accusation is also false. First of all, some charedim do serve. But even ignoring that, it's as meaningless as saying that the community of military lawyers, computer programmers, web designers, etc. refuses to share in that sacrifice and risk. I repeat, people learning are also "putting themselves out to a great degree" just in a manner that you don't see as being as valuable as non-combat military roles.

I'm sorry that you are a disturbed person and not the clal. The normative Haredi respects that even in mizrachi there are true rabbis like Rav Drukman and Rav Feuerstein, even if they disagree with their daat torah (maybe even me). They do not really believe the small leaders that make dumb comments like this and know that their newspapers and media are not telling all the truth. They do not believe that all 'modernim' and mirochim are from the same cookie cutter (for better and worse).
May Hashem help you see the good in your fellow Jew.

Druckman and Feuerstein as Rabbis.
Show me your "Rabbi" and I'll tell you who you are.

"Unknown" incredibly selfish, ungrateful, disrespectful, foolish words show exactly what is the problem with charedi culture.

Incredibly poretz geder, hiloni-lite, 1 created mitzvah full of chumros, the other 613 full of kullos or disregard, "Rabbis" with bare heads like never before in klal Yisrael.
Showing exactly what is the problem with mizruchnik culture.

I have no idea how they categorize temselves. I did see plenty of women walking through the mens section at different points. some looked haredi, some dati, some secular...

Still, seems a bit trusting for people who pride themselves on being "machmir l'chol hadeios" and otherwise go to laughable extremes to avoid bracha lvatala/lo sisa.

Rafi, you're part of the problem. You speak of "this law" as if it was something evil, and motivated by hate. It is neither, and so long as you don't realize it, you are, once again, part of the problem.

where did I speak of the law as being evil or motivated by hate? I happen to think that overall, as much of it as I am familiar with, it is a good and necessary law. There are some aspects of it (again, I do not know all the details of the law, but of what I am familiar with), that I disagree with or dont like the process used to get there, but overall I think its a good and necessary law.

When the gemara said "Sin'as Am Haaretz LeTalmid Chacham", it wasn't referring to the hatred of kofrim as the chilonim are. It referred to the mizrachniks.
That's from where the hatred comes from.
It's the same gemara that says "Halacha Beyadua Eisav Sonei LeYaakov". Somehow, this gemara mizrachniks do know.

No, Rafi, that doesn't cut it. You *just wrote* that "general hatred" against haredim probably "caused them to draft this law." You have zero evidence of that, because it doesn't exist.

Can you supply one shred of evidence that Lapid wants to "destroy Judaism"?

I'll save you the time- you can't.