Showing posts with label violence. Show all posts
Showing posts with label violence. Show all posts
Jun 17, 2026
Picture of the Day
this morning's anti-haredi-draft protests got very violent very quickly with police having no patience for it and using stun grenades and their heavy batons to beat protestors bloody...
as I have said before, the Israel Police have always been too violent... if anyone deserves to be at the other end of that violent baton it is people, any people, who shut down the country by blocking roads (the blocking of roads is violence against innocent bystanders), especially during rush hour traffic but any other time as well, but I am not sure anyone really deserves to be at the end of that violent baton... (note: I am using "violent baton" as a noun - the baton is not violent, but the policeman wielding it is)
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May 26, 2024
violence breeds violence
While many Haredim (some are calling them extremists from the various extreme communities) have spent the later part of the day flocking to Meron, despite the closure and the danger of missiles from Hezbollah, the police have been trying to keep them off. Some incidents of violence have been reported. Despite the danger and the breaking of the rules, I don't think violence like this is warranted - a Magav soldier shoving an elderly man who does not seem to be violent or a threat to the ground. The elderly man needed to be taken tot he hospital to have his wounds treated.
מה החרדי המבוגר הזה כבר עשה לשוטר שהחליט לדחוף אותו לעבר האספלט כאילו הוא מחבל הנוחבה???
— Yaniv Turgeman (@YanivTurgi) May 26, 2024
חרפה שאין כדוגמתה! pic.twitter.com/Vy3LrMG9MK
People are shocked and wondering how this can happen.
Violence breeds more violence. The police and Magav in Israel were always overly violent to begin with. Now they have a Minister in charge of them who encourages them to be even more violent than they were in many situations, and the violence just breeds more violence. They cant turn it on and off at a whim.
The violent tendencies of the police need to be rooted out. You cant pick out one incident and judge it. They arent violent in a vacuum.
Yes, the police have a lot to deal with. Protestors, people who think the law doesn't apply to them, terrorism, danger. Today they were forced to be present in one of the most dangerous spots in Israel because some people think the law doesnt apply to them and maybe they were frustrated at the situation and at the people. None of that is a good recipe for calm enforcement, but with violence too often encouraged, the chances for explosive situations increases tenfold..
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Jun 28, 2023
Quote of the Day
We are losing legitimacy in the international community and we cannot allow that to happens. We have to take against against the [Settlers attacks on Arab communities]..
-- PM Benjamin Netanyahu, in an emergency session to discuss the increasing violence
Netanyahu is hostage to his more extreme coalition members, and there is nothing he can do about it. While he says we have to act against the Settler violence they say no emergency session was called when Jews were being killed and if it is ok for Arabs to rampage it is ok for Jews as well...and there seems to be, so far, nothing he can do about it.
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Apr 5, 2023
Freedom of Religious Worship
Tensions were high this morning with hundreds of extremist Muslims going into Al Aksa and barricading themselves inside, remaining after the permitted time and refusing to leave. When the police got involved, it raised general tensions even more and rockets were shot from Gaza into Israel, supposedly in retaliation for Israel's attack on the Temple Mount.
In an attempt to calm the situation, and especially the angry foreign countries like Jordan, Egypt and others, PM Netanyahu said, after explaining what happened and how Israel responded carefully in order to allow prayers to continue and Muslim worshippers to be able to pray, "Israel is committed to safeguarding the freedom of worship, the free access for all religions and the status quo on Har Habayit, and will not allow violent extremists to change that".
I am in favor of his attempt to calm things down but I do find it ironic for him to talk publicly about free access to all religions, freedom of worship, and all that jazz the same day they have been arresting Jewish activists for trying to worship the Pesach holiday on Har Habayit the way the Torah mandates. And of course the regular prevention of Jews ascending Har Habayit to pray or do any noticeably religious activity..
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Apr 2, 2023
Picture of the Day
That is a shot of a mounted policeman hitting a young lady at the hafgana last night in Tel Aviv.
It looks like this was captured as a "still" from one of the many videos of the incident found on the Internet. It is not perfectly clear and is hard to see the nightstick he hits her with.
And, we don't know why, what she did, if anything. Minister Ben Gvir says he is going to investigate and demand answers.
For a few months now Ben Gvur has been screaming about equality in police violence saying the police treat the leftist protests with silk gloves yet when there are right wing or Haredi protests they get violent very quickly. Well, he got his wish. The police have gotten to their violent ways with the leftists as well, as in recent weeks we have seen an escalation of police violence at these protests (whether "justified" or not, I dont know).. So instead of Ben Gvr working to cut down on police violence, he has extended it.
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Mar 2, 2023
the violence has gone too far
The violence has gone way too far.
Yesterday's protests were punctuated by a group of protestors who discovered that Sara Netanyahu was visiting her hair salon and the converged on the location and tightened their circle of protest around the salon and didnt let her leave. Eventually the police extricated her after a long standoff.
That is extreme violence, even though not a hair on her head was touched other than by her barber.
The thing is that it has been a an escalation over the past couple of years, and maybe even longer. The incessant cycles of elections kept seeing, or bringing, increasingly raised tones and increasing levels of divisiveness and tension. In the last government, the one led by Lapid and Bennett, is when it got really bad. Right wing protesters angry at the formation of a government led by anyone other than Bibi attacked Zeev Elkins's wife and children outside their house. They protested outside of Nir Orbach's home for lengthy periods of time. they had MKs chased out of shuls and they had the children of MKs thrown out of schools. This violence is horrible, but this form of attacks was brought about and legitimized by the same people condemning it loudly today. This has gone way too far. I hope some people come to their senses soon.
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Aug 28, 2022
road safety vs home safety
Minister of Transportation Merav Michael is running a campaign against husbands who murder their wives. Well, sort of.
Firstly, it is an important campaign in general in light of some recent horrific incidents of husbands murdering wives, in addition to some other incidents of family members murdering each other.
Secondly, while anybody can speak up about anything, as a campaign this seems to be more in line with the Ministry of Internal Security and less in line with the work of the Ministry of Transportation. Michaeli's voice is surely important on such matters but as far as running a campaign it seems this should be the realm of Internal Security and not Transportation.
On the third hand (haha), this phrasing seems to indicate that every wife is worried about possibly being murdered by her husband. I hope my wife isnt worried about that. I hope most women are not. This seems to indicate that most husbands are possible murderers and women need security from that. I like to think that the husbands who are potential murders are a minority, an extreme minority, and the women who have to worry about it are not average women in average marriages but in bad marriages with husbands who already have violent tendencies. Those situations need to be dealt with, but I dont think painting the entire society as one of women with husbands who might murder them is helpful.
On the fourth hand (again, haha), maybe Michael as Minister of Transportation should be more worried about the type of security involving bus drivers murdering their passengers and other pedestrians, such as in the recent bus accidents in Jerusalem, along with traffic accidents in general. Maybe she should be running campaigns to calm things down on the road and not so much in the bedroom.
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Apr 13, 2022
political violence among the Dati Leumi sector
This situation with MK Betzalel Smotritch (Hatzionut Hadatit), and some others, bothers me.
I understand some people in the Religious Zionism sector are upset at PM Naftali Bennett, Minister Matan Kahane, Minister Ayelet Shaked, and some others. There is nothing wrong with that. They can be upset, they can argue and prefer a different route and a different way to navigate the political situation.
Arguing, disagreeing, is fine. The polarization really bothers me. They are passul because they have taken a different political path and have made decisions I disagree with. That is what I really dont like.
Smotritch said, and others (like MK Rotman) supported him, that they should be chased out of their shuls on Shabbos and the upcoming holidays. They should be rejected and banished.
In response some people are talking big - things like comparing it to Kamtza and Bar Kamtza, causing the destruction of the mikdash, etc. That is too weighty for me.
For me it is just crossing a line into polarization. Who made Betzalel Smotritch the guardian of all shuls and of Judaism? Who is he to say who should be banished from shul? Just like I asked who is MK Gafni to decide who should wear a kipa and who should not when he screamed at Matan Kahane to remove his kipa, who is Smotritch to decide who gets to go to shul and who doesn't? Why are we letting them mix politics and religion, bring politics into the shul? if you stick to my politics I will let you come daven but if you disagree and go a different political path you cannot come daven? Who ever heard of such a vile position? Maybe this is just another sign for the need of more separation of Shul and State. This is just another victim - politicians get to decide who is allowed into shul and who isn't.
And it did not start with this.
Idit Silman was under heavy social pressure, as were others like Nir Orbach, for months, until she eventually flipped last week. Protests outside their houses (which is reasonable), in addition to social banishment, punishing their kids in school and Bnei Akiva youth groups? That is not right and should not be part of the arsenal.
That is pure political violence. This type of polarization should not be a part of our system.
Smotritch's response is basically that people have the right to be upset. Yes, people have the right to be upset, but Smotritch is the one riling them up. Even if some people are upset, they were not chasing these people out of shul, they were not harassing them and their families, not all on their own. They were riled up by the leadership and guided to do these things. That is not "people have the right to be upset". That is Smotritch saying throw them out of shul.
Political violence should be unacceptable no matter which sector it comes from, and the Dati Leumi sector is clearly not immune to it.
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Apr 11, 2022
Udah not so conciliatory after all
The Israeli public, or maybe it is actually the media, is fickle.
MK Ayman Udah (United Arab List) said yesterday harsh words against Israel, saying that Arabs serving in the police force is insulting and humiliating, and called on them to throw their weapons back in the faces of their officers and to resign. Arabs Israelis he said, should be a part of the Palestinians and work to overthrow the occupation. And he said more than that, but you get the idea.
I remember when just a few years ago Udah was the darling of Israeli society and media. He was looked at as someone who against all odds was promoting coexistence and partnership between Arabs and Jews.
And now the calls increase to investigate him for incitement to violence, for being a traitor, and the like. He showed himself to be more of a demon and less of the conciliatory figure he has portrayed himself as over the past few years.
It is sad that this is how it turned out, the other way would have been better, but better that it has been exposed. Better late than never.
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Apr 5, 2022
masked holdup in Bnei Braq hardware store!
This video of an armed holdup in a Bnei Braq hardware store, with a customer bravely taking down the gunman, made the rounds today...
So it turns out this was actually just a prank, though the people involved were arrested due to it being illegal to pull a gun like that.
Since humor is involved I would note that the gunman is the only one in the video wearing a mask indoors as the law requires.....
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Feb 24, 2022
Haredi Children Sing in Protest of Israel Police (video)
interesting - usually you see this at protests, not in recording studios...
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The B'tzelem Elokim organization, which works to prevent police violence against haredim, on Wednesday morning released a video clip starring a choir of haredi children.
In the clip, the children can be viewed singing a popular alef-bet (alphabet) song, with the words changed to reflect their protest against police violence.
At the end of the video, viewers are invited to send footage and testimonies of police violence to B'tzelem Elokim, which promises to have a legal professional examine the materials and decide whether or not to file complaints against the police officers involved.
In a statement, B'tzelem Elokim said, "We are continuing our important activities to expose the violence which many in the haredi community, as well as the broader public, have experienced, out of a belief that by creating an organized system for reporting these instances, we can cause rebellious police officers to think several times before they raise their hand against haredim or in general."
"It is important for us to emphasize that the vast majority of Israel Police is made up of good and worthy people who work to protect us. It seems to us a shame that a small and violent handful ruins everyone's good name, and we have no doubt that it is in the interest of Israel Police itself to act to stop the violent police officers."
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Aug 31, 2021
what should the police do?
There was an unfortunate incident in RBS B yesterday evening in which the police, working to enforce the indoor mask rules, stopped a maskless woman in the store (based on the reports in the news). When she refused to cooperate and identify herself, the police decided to detain her, and take her to the station for questioning and for her to eventually identify herself. The situation quickly escalated with people form the neighborhood surrounding the police car and acting in a threatening way. Eventually the police just released the woman to calm the situation.
Partial video of the arrest was publicized and spread initially via Whatsapp:
My initial reaction upon seeing this video was mixed.
On the one hand, it is sad that the situation has gotten to this. arrests over masks (though I know the arrest is really because she refused to identify herself and cooperate with the police, not because she wasn't wearing a mask).
On the other hand, the arrest was not violent. they seemed to treat her decently, only pushing her when she tried pulling away. they had female police officers handling her, obviously being sensitive to her religious sensibilities. the police didn't beat her up or anything like that. The violence was surrounding the arrest - the people around were screaming and eventually pushing ands threatening, but the arrest itself seems ok.
Most people don't resist arrest. They commit a crime, fine, but once the police catch them they either take the fine or go with the police. People who resist arrest are either repeat criminals who are used to this, or people who are trained to do so. This is a community where resisting the national authority and the police is ingrained in them. She resisted the demands of the police (for identification) so she was arrested, and then she resisted going peacefully with the police, so she was pushed toward the car. She was not an innocent woman being beaten up by the police.
Many are shocked by the police actions in the video but I don't see anything so shocking. The situation was escalating quickly, the police wanted to get out of there quickly before it would get really bad. This is a neighborhood that regularly fights, physically, with the police and refuses to have the law apply to them. Sometimes we scream that the police need to go in and stop the lawlessness - so now that it is a woman we should tell the police to let lawlessness reign?
The police in Israel have a reputation of being overly violent and abusive. Maybe that is true and maybe police reform is needed. That is entirely possible. In this case I don't see them as having been abusive. I am not sure what they should have done in this situation beyond what they tried to do - detain the woman and get out of there quickly. they ultimately failed, but I think they tried to do the right thing. They can't just walk away when the citizen breaks the law right in front of them and they refuse to comply. Those who are shocked and angry over this - what would they have the police do?
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May 13, 2021
Proposed Law: revoke citizenship of rioters during rockets
MK Miki Zohar (Likud) is proposing a law in light up the tiktokifada.
According to Kol Hai News and Hamechadesh, Zohar is proposing two laws that enable Israeli to revoke citizenship from any Israeli citizen involved in rioting while a security situation is ongoing.
Zohar explains in his proposal that with Israeli citizens involved in the rioting and causing damage, both to people and to property, while rockets are being shot at Israel, it turns it into a security situation with multiple fronts. the right to Israeli citizenship cannot be disconnected from loyalty to the State. The proposal would give the Minister of Interior and/or the courts the right to cancel citizenship of any citizen taking part in such violent rioting.
Zohar says this will give the State the tools to keeping public order. We need this tool as a deterrent.
I am not sure if this is good or not, but they should think it through very well. It seems to me that it could be quite easy to abuse this in all sorts of ways. Who determines if we are in a "security situation" or not? What are the parameters of such a security situation, during which rioting would qualify for revocation of citizenship? Would/Could this be applied to Jewish citizens or only Arab citizens? If Jewish citizens as well, would that disqualify them from getting citizenship back under the Law of Return? Even if they do not intend to use it against Jewish citizens at this point, is it written in a way that at some point in the future under a different government it might be used differently than intended today? Will it be a law that the courts would uphold if it is only meant for the Arab citizens but not Jewish citizens or will the courts reverse it as discrimination?
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how bad has it gotten?
How bad has this tiktokifada gotten?
As mentioned, Lod seems to be the worst but there has been bad violence in a number of towns around Israel, in addition to "random" and "spontaneous" violence on roads near Arab areas...
so how bad has it gotten, especially in Lod?
The news today has reported that it has gotten so bad in Lod that [some] Jewish residents have been removing the mezuzas from their doorposts so their buildings would not be identified as housing Jews.
איילה חסון ל@fathizimri: ״משפחות בלוד עקרו את המזוזות מפתחי הבתים כדי שלא יזהו אותם״
— גלי ישראל (@IsraelGaley) May 13, 2021
This is reminiscent of the worst, the darkest, times in Jewish history when Jews had to hide their identity as Jews in order to survive. And sadly this is happening in a Jewish State under Jewish control, and the police and national leadership seem to be AWOL. Responsibility Without Blame at its best. That should be a hashtag - #responsibilitywithoutblame. I am going to tweet it.
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Tamra's confusing behavior
Just two weeks ago Israel suffered a horrific tragedy when 45 people were crushed to death at a religious festival in Meron on Lag B'Omer. It is hard to call anything a bright point in such a horrific incident but one of the bright points was when the Arabs from a nearby town called Tamra provided water and food to Meron survivors. They set up stations offering free food and drink to thousands of evacuees as they were trying to make their way off the Meron mountain in the chaos.
Besides for that there were other bright spots, like the outpouring of love and empathy among nearly the entire Israeli public, regardless of sector, and thousands in towns all over Israel lined up and waited hours to donate blood for the injured.
For the purpose of this post, the part of this under discussion is the Arabs from Tamra (and elsewhere) who were sympathetic and loving, and showed an amazing level of coexistence and care.
This morning, amid all the reports of violence around the country over the past day, news reports, both the Times Of Israel and The New York Times, reported on the violence and pointed out the following incident - "In Tamra, an Arab mob attacked a man presumed to be Jewish and nearly beat him to death, according to an Arab paramedic who saved him" (excerpt from the NYT)
How can the Arab residents of Tamra be so caring, so neighborly, so empathetic, so warm, and then just two weeks later join violent riots, join the tiktokifada, against people who did them no harm? How could such kind and caring people just go and assault other people?
How can the Arab residents of Tamra be so caring, so neighborly, so empathetic, so warm, and then just two weeks later join violent riots, join the tiktokifada, against people who did them no harm? How could such kind and caring people just go and assault other people?
It might not be the same exact people in both incidents, but both were the "Arabs from Tamra". By Meron we assumed it was the entire town that came out to help. It seemed like it was the nature of the people there, the humanity.
How could we go from one to the other, and so quickly?
Which is the more accurate depiction of Tamra? I don't know, and right now I am not sure it matters. As I said yesterday, the decades of coexistence has been shattered in days and I am not sure how we will go back to trusting our other neighbors without starting over and giving it a bunch more decades of work...
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May 12, 2021
the Tiktokifada destroyed coexistence
I honestly do not get what all this sudden violence, rioting, and rockets from Gaza is all about. I do not understand if they are connected or just a confluence of events with bad timing. Obviously, occupation and all that, but it was relatively quiet for a fairly significant amount of time and suddenly it exploded into a conflagration the likes of which we have not seen in a really long time.
It started with several violent acts of Arabs slapping and hitting Jews and posting the videos to Tik Tok. Hence I am calling it the Tiktokifada. From that it went to the violence in Jerusalem with the Sheikh Jarrah dispute. From there to Har Habayit rioting and whatnot. Somewhere in there Ramadan was blamed for an uptick in violence. And then it went to rioting in mixed towns around Israel, and on roads near Arab towns, and nearly at the same time barrages of rockets from Gaza on Israeli cities was renewed.
This tiktokifada looks like it is a hodgepodge of different causes and different acts of violence. Some people think there is a direct line from one to the other, starting with the Tik Tok videos and ending with the riots and rockets. Besides for general complaints about the "occupation" that don't really answer the question, I just do not understand what this tiktokifada is all about.
And I really do not know or see how many of the Israeli Arabs come out of this. Obviously not everyone, not every Israeli Arab and not every Israeli Arab town, was involved in this, and there are plenty that are as loyal citizens of the State of Israel as they can be.... but so many were involved in rioting, in attacking their Jewish neighbors and co-residents in towns and cities all around Israel. Decades of building up trust and coexistence all destroyed in 1-2 days. When all this calms down and life gets back to some form of normal, how do we get back to that coexistence? How will Jewish and Arab neighbors trust each other and be willing to live side by side again? It could take decades to get back to where we were just a few days ago...
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Apr 29, 2021
the modern day King Solomon splitting of the baby
Ah, Ponevezh Yeshiva.
I don't know what you did to end up like this.
Actually that reminds me that last week I saw an article about some Chabad activist who says he does know how Ponevezh ended up like this, and it is because in Ponevezh they publicly attacked and shamed the Lubavitcher Rebbe, so it is the one yeshiva where the boys treat the rosh yeshivas with no respect and throw yogurt at them. Is he right or wrong, I dont know - that is above my pay grade, but that is what he said.
Over the past weeks the fighting in Ponevezh Yeshiva has heated up again and intensified. Videos were seen of boys physically attacking rish yeshivas, pushing and hitting, throwing yogurts, shtenders, etc.. I don't know, or care, what they are fighting about, nor do I remember which group is who - they call the two groups the "sonim" and the "mechablim" - the haters and the terrorists. Not overly positive names.
So they have been fighting again and now the police are involved. The police brought the two sides together to seek out a compromise, warning them that if no compromise is reached the police will shut down the entire institution for a month (including over Shavuos).
Obviously each side blames the other for causing the uptick in violence and for refusing to compromise.
Kikar is reporting that the "sonim" are claiming that before corona their faction held most of the seats in the main sanctuary and their demand is to continue the previous arrangement, but in order to prevent the yeshiva from being shut down they are willing to compromise on splitting it 50-50. They say they are waiting for a response fomr the other side but expect it to be refused - this would cause a problem for the sonim as their beis medrash would be shut down leaving them no place to learn but the mechablim actually have another beis medrash to use.
So the mechablim will reject the offer just to get the beis medrash shut down for the sonim while they have an alternative solution for themselves.
The "mechablim" are claiming that the sonim are using their connections with the police and the entire suggestion of closing down the yeshiva to force a compromise was suggested by the sonim and shutting down Ponevezh has never happened - it functions 24 hours a day.
It is not for me to determine who is right and who is wrong. I don't think I can even suggest the two factions part ways if they can't live with each other, because there is probably a lot of money and prestige involved and it would need to be determined who retains the rights to the building and property and everything inside along with use of the name.
I also don't understand why the students are fighting over this. Where is the adult leadership? Where are the rosh yeshivas in this? Why don't they get an objective arbitrator, another outside rosh yeshiva, or a beis din, to sit down and make a decision regarding whatever issues they are fighting about? WHy are the students leading the battle here?
So, while the fighting continues and the threat of the police shutting them down hangs over their heads, all that's left is that the compromise discussion reminded of the story of King Solomon sitting in judgement over the two mothers, each claiming the live baby is hers and the dead baby is of the other woman. The one that was ok with splitting the baby was determined to not be the actual mother of the live baby as no mother would do that - she would give the baby away before splitting it.
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Apr 18, 2021
keep your stupidity to yourself
There is some new trend on Tik Tok. Arab kids video themselves attacking Jews in some way and running off. There have been a couple of Tik Tok clips of Arabs slapping Haredi Jews on public transportation, some elsewhere, some with the Arabs knocking the black hat off and running away...
Some of these have been reported to the police with a couple of arrests made.
There are a lot of stupid video trends on Tik Tok. As long as they are harmless, or at least harmless to everyone else besides for the person doing it, I don't care. People can be as stupid as they want to be. Hurting other people is not right though. Eat your own Tide Pod or run alongside a moving vehicle and jump in or out or whatever, you are only hurting yourself. Keep your stupidity to yourself and don't hurt other people for your video likes.
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Jan 26, 2021
calming Bnei Braq down
Rav Chaim Kanievsky and Rav Gershon Edelstein have called on the Haredi community to avoid participation in any protests and definitely not to join with reckless people who use violence.
They also say not to get close to any place where such protests are happening, and one should control his sense of curiosity - seeing such events is damaging to the soul.
After expressing my hope that community and police leadership try to find ways to lower the flames, I think it is important to note this call by Bnei Braq leadership. it might not help with the troublemakers, but if the crowds are smaller because the curious bystanders are staying away because of this call, the tensions will not get as high either. I hope the police also put forth similar efforts to calm the situation
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Jan 24, 2021
out of control!
Back in the day people (myself included) used to comment on wild protests held by Jews and would say that the police should shoot, if they feel threatened, if things are getting out of control. Not to kill, but in the air, at legs or at property in a very bad situation. Just like they do at Arab protests. I remember when I went to Hebron, probably for the first time, as a yeshiva student, a soldier told me that they shoot at the tv antennas on the roofs and at the water tanks on the roofs if they need to get the Arabs under control because that means they need to spend money to fix and replace the damaged tanks and antennas. Once it costs them good money, especially more than once, it reins them in.
It is easy to say when the protesters are somewhat out of control.
Things seem to be getting out of control in Bnei Braq.
Things seem to be getting out of control in Bnei Braq.
And today the police shot in the air at a protest by the Peleg Yerushalmi people as things were getting out of hand.
Once it happens, it is not quite as easy as when it was just talk.
Once things escalate, once guns are pulled, once violence is used by the protesters and it leads to the police pulling guns, emotions and nerves are running high. Who knows what could happen at that point? Any little slip up. A nervous policeman. A mistake.
Things should never get to that point.
And this is just after some crazy violence in Bnei Braq between the police and the Visznitzer chassidim, after some chassidim attacked the police and damaged a car and hurt a cop, and then the police went in with large forces and went on a rampage.
Things in Bnei Braq are getting out of control. I hope the leadership there reins the people in and police leadership rein in the police forces. It is definitely time to deescalate the situation. Before any more people get unnecessarily hurt.
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