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May 13, 2008

they come to the defense of the kannoim

How many times have we heard that the kannoim are loose cannons that just don't listen to anybody? The Rabbonim, when asked why they do not reign in the thugs who make trouble and use violence, respond that these guys just don't listen - they claim to have no influence over them.

Here is what I think about that.

On Sunday night, one of the kannoim in RBS B was arrested. Among the reasons was the fact that he had been throwing bleach at women shopping in Geula. This should be a good thing, right? Possibly a deterrent against his perpetrating future violent attacks, right? It turns out that one of our elected representatives, a rep from Degel, has personally intervened to have this poor fellow released from incarceration. These kannoim don't even vote, so the elected officials first priority should be protecting his electorate and their interests, and only afterwards assisting others. He should be working to stop these guys from attacking his voters, but instead he makes sure they do not have to sit in jail.

Another case in point is what you see in the article to the left. I clipped this article out of the most recent edition of the newspaper of the Eidah Charedisi called "Ha'Eidah". It describes how a certain Haredi "askan" (Sholom Fisher, one of the kannoim) was arrested recently for no reason. A different "askan" was on trial, and they decided to send out an order to arrest Fisher. He was picked up that day and arrested.

The Rabbonim were horrified and worked very hard to have him freed. Rav Rosenberger gave his personal gaurantee in order to have him released to house arrest. Rav Kopshitz, pictured in the article, even went to Fisher'ss house to visit him and give him support and strengthen his morale.

These are Rabbonim who, when asked why they do nothing to stop the violence, simply say they have no influence with these guys.

You tell me - is that true? Do they have no influence or do they really support them and their thuggish behavior?

There is a story related from Rav Yitzchak Elchonon Spektor of Kovno. He had an assistant who was a kannoi and hounded the more modern people and those who were not frum. Rav Yitzchak Elchonon said, "The difference between me and my assistant is like the difference beween a cat and the homeowner.
Both the cat and the homeowner hate the mouse. The cat wants there to be a lot of mice for him to catch and eat. the homeowner, on the other hand, wants their to be no mice at all."
Rav Yitzchak Elchonon said, "I daven that there should be no sinners. My assistant prefers that there should be sinners so that he can chase after them and attack them."

Nobody wants, in a frum neighborhood, problems of tzniyus. Do we try to influence them positively or do we really just want the opportunity to attack them?

When some say they have no influence with the kannoim, are they just making up an excuse so we will leave them alone?

When our elected officials actively work on the behalf of the kannoim instead of their electorate, whar are they telling us?


  1. Who is the Degel rep who worked to have the guy freed?

  2. The biggest scandal is Rabbi Kopshitz. The chutzpah that he mixes in with politics of the moderate Charedi schools (the Ko Tomar story was his doing) and, at the same time, goes to Fisher to give him chizuk.

  3. Raz- according to what I have heard it was M Montag. He has always helped them with their needs, and has done so now as well.

  4. Is the story accurate about Fisher's being arrested without probably cause for a specific crime?

  5. What many of us miss is the real point.

    "Rabbonim" such as RSZ Perlstein and Rav Goldstein and Rav Kopshitz don't concern me. While I hardly agree with their "kitzoni" views at least I give them credit for being "up front".

    What bothers me more are those who put on a facade of tolerance and understanding bu really harbour the same views.

    Rav Kornfeld, Rabbi Eidensohn (Kupa Shel Tzedaka), Rav Davidovich and ohers are no less severe in their agenda about RBSA going as right as it can..hey just sugar coat it.

    Rav Kornfeld and Rav Davidovich have signed on cherem and unreasonable protest letters. Rav Eidensohn is closely aligned to RSZ Perlstien(it was RSZP who appointed him as head of Kupa) as well some of the kannoim in bet and Nachla Umenucha.

    Don't let them fool you into believing that there agenda is to keep RBSA from he more moderate and modern crowd.

  6. The only thing I would point out is that you can't believe everything (or anything) you read in the Eda Hahareidit newspaper. So there is a definite possibility that Rav K didn't say what they ascribe to him.

  7. newspapers always have inaccuracies, but the picture in the article shows Rav Kopshitz visiting Fisher.

  8. Is anyone really surprised? As the saying goes: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me."

    For something really interesting, you should read the CONNECTIONS story about the BS city council meeting. Then you'll readily understand the source of the city's malady.


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